Vanity Fair magazine

What:    An opinion article in The Los Angeles Times

Where:    http://tinyurl.com/OrthHitPiece

Pertinent portion (fifth paragraph):

Just trying to fit in at any level as one constantly has to do in the Peace Corps has served me in good stead, whether I was listening to heartbreaking tales of naive, star-struck parents allowing their little boys to spend too much time with Michael Jackson or uncovering Arianna Huffington’s fierce loyalty and reliance on her odd guru, John-Roger, to cite just two examples.

When:    Published February 25, 2011

Why:    Next to Martin Bashir and Diane Dimond, Maureen Orth was and remains one of the most vocal critics of Michael Jackson.  Her articles about him are too malicious and painful to repeat here, but most Michael Jackson admirers know who she is.

We at MJTruthNow feel that vile comments, such as Orth’s reference to Michael Jackson in this article, should not go un-rebutted.  Negative commentary about Michael should be clearly and consistently confronted, which is the sole goal of MJTruthNow.

Please respond as soon as possible to the article at the link above, using respectful language and hitting the beast Maureen Orth right between the eyes.  She’s malevolent, mean, nasty and virulent.  Her words should not stand uncontested.

However!  Please use all the personal restraint you can muster so that your comment is taken seriously and not moderated. Many readers of this article may not be aware of Orth’s malicious intent and her unrelenting use of the power of the media to destroy Michael Jackson.

Without fan names, ladies and gentlemen, please form an orderly and powerful line at

http://tinyurl.com/OrthHitPiece.

http://tinyurl.com/BashirEmploy

Last September, Phil Griffin, President of MSNBC, announced that Bashir had joined MSNBC at 3:00pm.  Several months later, it has finally been disclosed that his show is set to debut on Monday, February 28, 2011.

We don’t know if it’s still possible to subvert his employment, but we want to try.  Here are some facts about Bashir that you may not know.

http://tinyurl.com/BashirCriticized

http://tinyurl.com/JacksonSues

http://tinyurl.com/JacksonStatement

http://tinyurl.com/BashirJustify

http://tinyurl.com/BashirTricked

http://tinyurl.com/BashirSexist

http://tinyurl.com/BashirBestWife

http://tinyurl.com/SwervyBashir

Regarding Monday’s MJTruthNow newsletter, we received many supportive responses, for which we thank you.  We’d like to share one with you.

Dear MJTruthNow:

Thank you for sending this clarification to the fan base. You have my absolute agreement and support on this issue. It is a sad but true fact that outsiders tend to underestimate us when we identify ourselves as MJ fans. We, more than anybody else, should know how judgmental media can be; how they like categorizing and labeling others.  I have noticed the difference once I switched to using my real name and photo in addressing media outlets. It is as if an MJ nickname or avatar prevents them from reading a single word you write. They’re like: “Oh, another obsessed fan! Nothing new.” For them, it’s not worth the effort of reading because they think they already know what a Michael Jackson fan would say.

And to my dear fellow fans, those who think that changing their MJ nicknames or avatars is some kind of betrayal, I say, believe me, it is the total opposite. Deeds speak louder than words. I am a proud Michael Jackson fan; that’s why I want my family, friends, students, co-workers and the whole world to know that it is me, Nagla, who is speaking for Michael Jackson.

At the age of 32, I’ve grown far from the teenage girl who was bullied at school because she loved Michael Jackson. With lots of pity on those who did not allow themselves to see beyond this being a matter to tease me with, it is time for me to heal and make that change.

***

Thank you, Nagla, and thank you to everyone who defends Michael Jackson’s personal legacy using a proper name.

Please review the 300+ comments already posted.  We’re asking you to also immediately comment on this Huffington Post article.

http://tinyurl.com/BashirMSNBC

We shall then write to several Comcast and MSNBC executives to ask why they’re not listening to their viewers.  We will direct them to this  Huffington Post article as proof.  We need hundreds and hundreds of comments on this article. Please forward this newsletter far and wide.

http://tinyurl.com/BashirMSNBC

Remember:

• No Michael Jackson avatars
• No Michael Jackson screen names
• No love letters to Michael
• Please use spell check
• Always remain respectful

Again, we wish to thank everyone who participates in the healing of Michael’s legacy. Together we shall reach our goals.  Thank you for your hard work and dedication.

More later!

MJTruthNow.com

]]> http://mjtruthnow.com/2011/02/addressing-bashirs-unethical-behavior/feed/ 0 http://mjtruthnow.com/2011/02/our-thinking-about-fan-avatars-and-screen-names/ http://mjtruthnow.com/2011/02/our-thinking-about-fan-avatars-and-screen-names/#comments Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:03:36 +0000 mjadmin http://mjtruthnow.com/?p=7933 We’ve published several MJTruthNow newsletters wherein we asked for your support by commenting on blogs. We believe, over time, we can overcome the negativity surrounding Michael Jackson that was maliciously spread by medialoid.

When we ask for your help, we always include these tips for effective commenting:

• No Michael Jackson avatars
• No Michael Jackson screen names
• Use gender neutral screen names
• No love letters to Michael
• Please use spell check
• Always remain respectful

Word has reached us that some Michael Jackson fans feel that requesting they not use Michael Jackson avatars and screen names makes the fans feel ashamed to be Michael’s fans. This is definitely not our intention, so this newsletter will explain our thinking about fan avatars and screen names.

An avatar is an Internet user’s representation of him/herself or alter ego. We see them as small photos or pictures used on Internet forums and other communities such as Michael Jackson fan sites. Many fans enjoy using photos or images of Michael Jackson as their avatars.

A screen name is a nickname. Many fans enjoy identifying with Michael Jackson by using screen names such as MJlover, MJ4ever, IluvMJ, Justice4MJ, LoveUMJ, Joy4MJ, etc.

However, a fact of the serious business of vindication of Michael Jackson in mainstream media is that obvious fan identity is counterproductive to effective advocacy. As we have seen time and time again, media is routinely condescending to Michael Jackson fans.

It’s essential that Michael’s advocates operate firmly outside the arena where his fans are summarily dismissed and marginalized.

This is not a betrayal or rejection of Michael’s fans or Michael himself, but a necessary strategy to achieve justice for Michael Jackson on an uneven and rocky playing field where every step must be carefully planned.

Even ardent admirers of Michael’s body of work and his many humanitarian efforts may cringe at some forms of the idolization of Michael. At the same time, they’re compelled to rally against what happened to Michael. He was virtually destroyed by certain malevolent members of the media.

When observers, who may not necessarily be Michael Jackson detractors, say, “I don’t get these people” [Michael Jackson fans], our best response is to appeal to their empathy for what it must have been like for Michael to have been targeted for demonization by medialoid.

We can’t effectively appeal to that core of empathy when we present ourselves with fannish behavior, avatars and screen names. We ask that you refrain from presenting as a fan when advocating for Michael Jackson in mainstream media.

The best place, in our opinion, for fans to communicate in full fan mode is on Michael Jackson fan sites. Everyone there is already convinced of Michael’s unique talents and their love and respect for him as a person.

Thanks, as always, for your support.

 FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

 DAVID SCHWARTZ, AN INDIVIDUAL, )

 PLAINTIFF, ) CASE NO.

 VS. ) SC 

 EVAN CHANDLER, AN INDIVIDUAL, AND )

 DOES  THROUGH , INCLUSIVE, )

 DEFENDANTS. )

 TRANSCRIPT OF AUDIO CASSETTE MARKED

 EXHIBIT NO.

 D. SCHWARTZ AND E. CHANDLER

 FILE NO. TPA.MK

 CONVERSATION

 between Dave Schwartz and Evan Chandler:

MR. CHANDLER: — discuss why it might be harmful. Suppose I’m right? I mean if Michael loves [tape irregularity] Lisa at least want to hear my opinion about why what’s going on could be potentially harmful? If you love somebody, you don’t want them to get hurt.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you want to talk it in front of Jordy, about that?

MR. CHANDLER: Huh?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you want to talk about that in front of Jordy?

MR. CHANDLER: Oh, yeah, absolutely. He has to be there.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: He has to be there, and one of the reasons that he has to be there is because he’s always gonna remember it. Somebody has to be the — there’s gotta be some one person that later on in life he can look back on and kind of pattern himself after someone or have some structure for his own existence, based on — he’ll look at me, and he’ll say, “Yeah. He was honest, he had integrity, he had respect. I could trust him. He never lied to me,” all that kind of stuff. He may hate me now. He may not be able to articulate all of those things in his own head right now, but when he sees it, it’ll be in his head, and when he’s old enough there will be those things that will be important to him. Hopefully I’ll be able to portray those things to him, because I think they’re important.

 I also think it’s incredibly important to have somebody else in your life that really loves you and you really love them because if you’re [tape irregularity] happy. I’ve never seen a single solo, isolated human being who was truly happy –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and that’s what’s going to happen to Jordy. I think that’s June’s situation.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: June has nobody. You tell me who June has. You tell me who June has who really loves her, who she really loves back, you can’t think of one person.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, I can.

MR. CHANDLER: Who?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Gloria.

MR. CHANDLER: Gloria.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Really.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible.)

MR. SCHWARTZ: Gloria, Nadine or Florence. She’s pretty close with her friends.

MR. CHANDLER: Nah, she’s –

MR. SCHWARTZ: She’s — wait.

MR. CHANDLER: She believes that –

MR. SCHWARTZ: She’s close with you.

MR. CHANDLER: — four or five cups of caffeine in the morning and gets on the phone and yaps (inaudible) all day, you commiserate about their miseries –

MR. SCHWARTZ: But, you know, here’s the whole thing. We can’t, you know, I can’t put her down that all she’s doing is hanging out. It’s not so horrible.

MR. CHANDLER: That what?

MR. SCHWARTZ: That, you know, I mean, she’s into hanging out.

MR. CHANDLER: Hanging out is okay.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I know. She’s –

MR. CHANDLER: Hanging out’s kind of a benign thing. She’s not hanging out anymore. When she stopped hanging out –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and became actively destructive in Jordy’s life is when I stepped in and when I decided I have to do something about it. I tried to talk to her about it, Dave, on several occasions.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, we know she’s hard to talk to.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, if you could — if you could — yes. I mean, that’s unquestionable. She is impossible to talk to. And I’ve never really — I mean, I’ve gotten angry with her many times and –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — [tape irregularity] long as you’ve stepped in –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

MR. CHANDLER: — the issue has never involved potentially harming Jordy for the rest of his life –

MR. SCHWARTZ: [Tape irregularity.]

MR. CHANDLER: — issues over Jordy before that I’ve backed down –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — because you asked me to or whatever the reason was –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and I’ve never been — I’ve never been that set on pursuing it until now because I truly believe this will damage him for the rest of his life. And she will not — and I’ve told her that, and I’ve tried to talk to her about that –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and she’s not willing to talk to me about it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: She doesn’t even want to hear what might be harming him.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: She doesn’t want to even know — she doesn’t want to hear any words.

MR. SCHWARTZ: What if –

MR. CHANDLER: “Get out of my face. Don’t even mention that.” That’s not an issue for her. I mean, what kind of person is that? If — I stopped taking that personally.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, we all have different ways of coping.

MR. CHANDLER: You see, as an adult, coping’s no excuse. That’s like driving drunk and saying, “I’m sorry, but I didn’t realize there was a law against driving drunk” and you just ran on the sidewalk. The fact is you’re a responsible adult. You’re supposed to have some sense and judgment, and that’s how it’s going to go down.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. How about if you, June and I get together?

MR. CHANDLER: No. Why do you keep doing that?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Because I don’t — I don’t want to subject Jordy to this until — I mean, I feel very uncomfortable –

MR. CHANDLER: Let me put it to you this way: I have a set routine of words that I’m going to go in there that have been rehearsed and I’m going to say.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay? Because I don’t want to say anything that could be used against me.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: So I know exactly what I can say. That’s why I’m bringing the tape recorder.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I have some things on paper to show a few people –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and that’s it. My whole part is going to take two or three minutes, and I’m going to turn around [tape irregularity], and that’s it. There’s not going to be anything said, other than what I’ve been told to say –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and I’m going to turn around and leave, and they’re going to have a decision to make.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And based on that decision, I’ll decide whether or not we’re going to talk again or whether it’s going to go further.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I have to make a phone call. As soon as I leave the house, I get on the telephone.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I make a phone call.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Say “Go” or I say, “Don’t go yet,” and that’s –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — the way it’s gonna to be. I’ve been told what to do, and I have to do it. I’m not — I happen to know what’s going to be going on, see? They don’t have to say anything to me. [Tape irregularity] “you have refused to listen to me. Now you’re going to have to listen to me. This is my position. Give it a thought.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: “Think it over.” I’m not saying anything bad about anybody, okay? I’ve got it all on paper.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m going to hand out the paper so that I don’t inadvertently [tape irregularity], handing out the paper, “Michael, here’s your paper. June, here’s your paper.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: “Compare papers. Read this whole thing. This is my feelings about it. Do you want to talk further? We’ll talk again.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: “If you don’t” [tape irregularity] — but, see, all I’m trying to do now, they have forced me to go [tape irregularity] on paper and give it to them to read –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — because [tape irregularity]. I mean, isn’t that pitiful? Now, why would they want to cut me out, to go this far, spend this much money, spend so much time in my life crying, being away from my practice, not paying [tape irregularity] everybody else? Why would they want to put me through that? And I made it very clear to June that she was putting me through that because I didn’t want any misunderstandings. I’ve done everything I could to appeal to her. (Inaudible) is cold and heart- – absolutely cold and heartless. That’s all –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, maybe on the surface it appears like that, but I –

MR. CHANDLER: I know on the surface June is charming –

MR. SCHWARTZ: No, no. I think on the surface it might appear cold, but I don’t — I don’t agree with that.

MR. CHANDLER: Dave, “Go fuck yourself” is not a surface reaction.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. Have you ever — you mean you have never done that, right?

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) and they say “Go fuck yourself,” that’s not a surface –

MR. SCHWARTZ: You’ve never done it?

MR. CHANDLER: — sorry.

MR. SCHWARTZ: You’ve never done it? I mean, have you ever got pissed at a friend and gotten in an argument for three weeks?

MR. CHANDLER: No, no, no.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Never, ever?

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) — like that, Dave, not consistently like that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) — so far as to go to say, “Okay. Forget about me. This is what’s going on with Jordan. This is my concern,” and have her say “Go fuck yourself” again. So [tape irregularity] there I said, “This is not a human being I’m dealing with anymore.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, let me ask you this — I mean, did you give Jordy any ultimatums?

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Because, see, that’s how he feels trapped, I think.

MR. CHANDLER: Too bad.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, why — I mean –

MR. CHANDLER: All he has to do is talk to me about it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I know, but how can you — I mean, you know what you could do — I mean, couldn’t you approach it like saying, “Jordy, this is how I feel. This is why communications is important. We gotta discuss this.”

MR. CHANDLER: This is what I said to Jordy. I said, “What if I asked you not to do

something?” That’s how I put it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: He said, “I wouldn’t care.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: That’s what he said.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, what’s wrong with that?

MR. CHANDLER: What’s wrong?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. I mean, what is wrong with that?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, let me ask you this: Never in his life, ever, would he have — did he ever respond that way or would he have ever responded that way –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — which means that something has happened inside of him and in his life that is now making him respond to me in a totally different way. What has happened to him? His mother’s changed, and Michael’s in his life, and you weren’t there to balance it out. And that’s it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right, and I wasn’t there, and you’re right.

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I wasn’t there to discuss it with him.

MR. CHANDLER: So the whole thing happened.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

MR. CHANDLER: And that’s it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: So blame me.

MR. CHANDLER: Oh, I’m not blaming you.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But it is my fault.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible).

MR. SCHWARTZ: It’s my fault. I wasn’t there to –

MR. CHANDLER: No, no. You don’t understand. We’re gonna see whose fault it is. And I’m gonna tell you: It isn’t up to you to decide whose fault it is or up to me to decide whose fault it is. Other people who are trained to [tape irregularity] whose fault it is are going to make that decision, and I’ll bet you anything that they don’t decide that it’s your fault. You’re not going to get blamed, and you can go and say whatever you want. No one’s [tape irregularity] they may say, “That’s very nice. Get the fuck out of here, and let’s get down to the real issues,” but that’s it. That’s what’s going to happen. I’m not getting blamed and you’re not getting blamed. And that’s — I mean –

MR. SCHWARTZ: But no one should get blamed. I mean –

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) talking about bottom line because that’s what it’s really going to come down to –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — bottom line, no one’s gonna give a shit about you in this issue.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: So when you tell me that I should blame you, that’s not the bottom line. That’s not how it’s going to be seen (simultaneous, inaudible).

MR. SCHWARTZ: But does there have to be where someone’s at fault? Can’t it be where we just work it out?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, you see — yeah. That’s why I tried to get in touch with them, to (simultaneous, inaudible) work it out –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, well, but that’s — wait.

MR. CHANDLER: — but they don’t want to talk to me.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. Well, that’s not true. That is not true.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) till tomorrow –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Have you ever gone through a period where you just didn’t — wait. Of course you have. Of course you have.

MR. CHANDLER: Dave –

MR. SCHWARTZ: When I screamed at Monique to get you to call me.

MR. CHANDLER: So what? That was one day. Two days.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But it didn’t matter — it can’t count the days.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, I have to count the days because I can’t let it go on forever. By the way, they’re going on tour on August th. They’re going to be gone. They’re going to be out of the country –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — for four months.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Is that bad?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, I’m not going to be able to communicate with them about this when they’re gone, am I?

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, but you think that –

MR. CHANDLER: By the way, they’re not going.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: They don’t know that yet, but they are not going.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: So, I mean, especially if they don’t show up tomorrow, they’re definitely not going. They’ll be lucky if Michael even –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Let me ask you — let me ask you this –

MR. CHANDLER: — tour (inaudible) get canceled.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, let me — let me ask you this: I mean, why can’t you meet — why can’t we meet after I get off work?

MR. CHANDLER: Because –

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, why not? What’s the difference?

MR. CHANDLER: Seems to me it’s not important enough for you to take off work to be –

MR. SCHWARTZ: It is important enough, but I still –

MR. CHANDLER: Fuck your job.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait, wait.

MR. CHANDLER: It’s still going to be there at :. This whole thing’s going to take five minutes.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I’ve already told you I have — I’m not allowed to say anything more –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — than I’ve already prepared. It’s on paper.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Is it your –

MR. CHANDLER: I’m not going in to –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Is it because of your attorney?

MR. CHANDLER: What?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Because of your attorney?

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why don’t we meet at your attorney’s office?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, that’s something we can do if we get past tomorrow.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: He’s willing to meet with them. Right now he’d like to kill them all. I picked the nastiest mother-fucker I could find.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: The only reason that I’m meeting with them tomorrow is, the real fact of the matter is –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — because of Monique.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Monique begged me to do it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: She said, “You’re out of control” –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Can Monique be there?

MR. CHANDLER: Tomorrow?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: She wanted to be there, but –

MR. SCHWARTZ: I want her to be there.

MR. CHANDLER: I wouldn’t let her.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why? Why not?

MR. CHANDLER: Because June hates Monique.

MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s not true.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, you know something?

MR. SCHWARTZ: That is not true –

MR. CHANDLER: Now –

MR. SCHWARTZ: — at all.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, really! Well, then that makes Jordy a liar, and that makes Michael a liar.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why?

MR. CHANDLER: They both told me that Monique — that June –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. You can’t see that whole thing?

MR. CHANDLER: What?

MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s woman jealousy.

MR. CHANDLER: I don’t care what –

MR. SCHWARTZ: It doesn’t matter –

MR. CHANDLER: The problem is you’re in love with her so you keep on making excuses.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait, wait.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m not in love with her anymore. I don’t even like her anymore.

MR. SCHWARTZ: You don’t know about female jealousy?

MR. CHANDLER: I don’t care about that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: That has nothing –

MR. CHANDLER: (Inaudible) Dave. That’s pathologic. I don’t want that affecting –

MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s not pathologic. That is the bottom line.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) pathologic. I don’t care what the reason is. I don’t care. I’m not playing psychiatrist and analyzing.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But why wouldn’t you want Monique there? I would feel much more comfortable.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible), that’s why.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me?

MR. CHANDLER: Because June hates her, so I don’t want to –

MR. SCHWARTZ: She does not hate her.

MR. CHANDLER: Of course she hates her.

MR. SCHWARTZ: She totally respects her and doesn’t hate her.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, then, Jordy is a liar and Michael (inaudible) –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait, wait.

MR. CHANDLER: — because they told me verbatim, together –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah?

MR. CHANDLER: — that June hates Monique. In fact, they went even further and told me several of the things that June said about Monique.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay? Now, maybe they went back and told June that Monique said things about her and –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — (inaudible) lied. Maybe they’re lying. I don’t know. But knowing June, I don’t think that they lied. I think they’re telling me the truth.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And I want Monique out of this completely.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Because all that will happen is that June will convince Jordy that Monique’s a bad person and by her presence there she must have put me up to this whole thing –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and June will fabricate some great lie –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Ahhh.

MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) I’m only going there because of Monique, because, to tell you the truth, Dave, it would be a lot easier for me and a lot more satisfying –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — to see everybody get destroyed –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — like they’ve destroyed me, but it would be a lot easier. And Monique just kept telling me, “You don’t want to really do this,” and she finally [tape irregularity] for the sake of everything that we’ve all had in the past –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — to give it one more try, and that’s the only reason, because this attorney I found — I mean, I interviewed several, and I picked the nastiest son of a bitch

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — I could find, and all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and humiliate as many people as he can, and he’s got a bad [tape irregularity] –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that’s good?

MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) he’s costing me a lot of money.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that’s good?

MR. CHANDLER: I think that’s great. I think it’s terrific. The best. Because when somebody — when somebody tells you that they don’t want to talk to you –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — you have to talk to them –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — you have to get their attention. It’s a matter of life and death. That’s how I’m taking it. I have to talk to them.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: This is life and death for my son. I have to get their attention. If I don’t get it, if I haven’t gotten it on the phone and I don’t get it tomorrow –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — this guy will certainly get it. That’s the next step. And you want to know something? I even have somebody after him if he doesn’t [tape irregularity]. But I don’t want [tape malfunctioned]. I’m not kidding. I mean what I told you before.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: It’s true. I mean, it could be a massacre if I don’t get what I want. But I do believe this person will get what he wants.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: So he would just really love [tape irregularity] nothing better than to have this go forward. He is nasty, he is mean –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — he is very smart [tape irregularity], and he’s hungry for the publicity [tape irregularity] better for him.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And that’s where it’ll go –

MR. SCHWARTZ: You don’t think everyone loses?

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) totally humiliate him in every way –

MR. SCHWARTZ: That — everyone doesn’t lose in that?

MR. CHANDLER: That’s not the issue. See, the issue is that if I have to go that far –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — I can’t stop and think “Who wins and who loses?”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: All I can think about is I only have one goal, and the goal is to get their attention –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — so that [tape irregularity] concerns are, and as long as they don’t want to talk to me, I can’t tell them what my concerns are, so I have to go step by step, each time escalating the attention-getting mechanism, and that’s all I regard him as, as an attention-getting mechanism. Unfortunately, after that, it’s totally out of [tape irregularity]. It’ll take on so much momentum of its own that it’s going to be out of all our control. It’s going to be monumentally huge, and I’m not going to have any way to stop it. No one else is either at that point. I mean, once I make that phone call, this guy’s just going to destroy everybody in site in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I’ve given him full authority to do that. To go beyond tomorrow, that would mean I have done every possible thing in my individual power to tell them to sit down and talk to me; and if they still [tape irregularity], I got to escalate the attention-getting chanism. He’s the next one. I can’t go to somebody nice [tape irregularity]. It doesn’t work with them. I already found that out. Get some niceness and just go fuck yourself.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Basically, what they have to know, ultimately, is that their lives are over, if they don’t sit down. One way or the other, it’ll either go to the next step or the [tape irregularity]. I’m not stopping until I get their attention. Do I [tape irregularity] the only goal is right now I have to do what I think is best for Jordy –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and I think what’s going on now is bad for Jordy, and therefore any alternative is better. If I’m wrong, they should sit down, and they should tell me why I’m wrong.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: But –

MR. SCHWARTZ: So wouldn’t you sit down with me, and we could discuss it first?

MR. CHANDLER: No, because you don’t know the issues.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but you could tell me.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) totally ignorant of all the issues. No. There’s really no way you could relate these to somebody, you know.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah? Well, sure you could.

MR. CHANDLER: Like it’ll get related. It’ll get related, you know. You’ll see it. You’ll see it, and it’s not going to be up for me or you to decide.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Can you meet him here at work?

MR. CHANDLER: Oh, no. I’m going to meet at the house.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why can’t you meet here?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, for one thing, ichael has to be there.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Michael will come.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) won’t be at Rent a Wreck.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Michael would come here.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, how do you know that?

MR. SCHWARTZ: I’ll see. I mean, if he’ll come here, will you do it here?

MR. CHANDLER: No. Why?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Because it’s easier for me.

MR. CHANDLER: So you could be at work?

MR. SCHWARTZ: No. So I don’t have to leave.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) signals.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me?

MR. CHANDLER: You keep giving me these –

MR. SCHWARTZ: It’s not crossed signals. I’m telling you it’s — I’m here every second. It’s difficult to get away.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, you have to get your priorities –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but my priority is this, but, I mean, you can compromise for me.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) tell me this is very difficult choice, you know, your children or your work.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Hey, it’s not a difficult choice.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, then –

MR. SCHWARTZ: But it’s just –

MR. CHANDLER: — the issue, then. Be it –

MR. SCHWARTZ: It makes it — wait. What’s the difference –

MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) work by : o’clock.

MR. SCHWARTZ: What is the difference for you? I mean, it makes it easier for me. Is it different for you?

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. Why is it different?

MR. CHANDLER: What if I told you their  house was wired?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Does that make a difference?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m not saying it is.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m just saying, “What if it was?”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, well –

MR. CHANDLER: Would that — would you — could you see the [tape irregularity].

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Then you want to record it.

MR. CHANDLER: Let’s just say that it is.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Let’s just say that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m not saying it is.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: But let’s just say that it was. Okay? That would make a difference. (Inaudible)?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. You got to do me one favor.

MR. CHANDLER: What?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. The way we’ve just talked is completely — the way you’ve sounded is completely different than when I talked to you the first time. I mean, you gotta be –

MR. CHANDLER: Well, (inaudible) talking tomorrow, Dave.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me?

MR. CHANDLER: I told you, it’s all on paper.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: That’s why I’m bringing a tape recorder.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but are you going to be calm like this?

MR. CHANDLER: I have nothing to say.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m not going to be calm. I’m not going to be anything. I’m not going to be — I’m going to be totally void of anything.

I’m just going to say, “Look. Here’s something for you guys to read. You read it. You think it over.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: “If you want to sit down and talk, we can all meet in my attorney’s office.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: “If you want to tell me to go fuck myself, then just let me know that” –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — “and I’ll let him know that’s what your feelings are.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, why do you –

MR. CHANDLER: — and that has to — that has to happen before : o’clock tomorrow. They have to make that decision –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And let me ask you this –

MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) don’t hear from them about it, then the wheels start –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why do you have to have Jordy there, if all we’re going to do is read it?

MR. CHANDLER: I tried to explain that to you.

MR. SCHWARTZ: No. If we have to read something.

MR. CHANDLER: Because I explained that to you. I want him to see how I’m behaving.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I want him to see how I’m acting.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And why do you have to have Michael there?

MR. CHANDLER: What’s that beeping going on? Do you hear that?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Are you recording this?

MR. SCHWARTZ: No.

MR. CHANDLER: Do you hear the beeping?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, let’s hang up.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Bye.

 (Tape , Side B begins:)

CONVERSATION  between Dave Schwartz and Evan Chandler:

 (Dial tone.)

MR. SCHWARTZ: Hey, Ev.

MR. CHANDLER: Hi, Dave.

MR. SCHWARTZ: How you doing? Thanks for calling me back.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay. I’m in the car. I’m on the way home.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: Where are you?

MR. SCHWARTZ: I’m at work.

MR. CHANDLER: You’re at [tape irregularity].

MR. SCHWARTZ: You want to come by here?

MR. CHANDLER: No. I’m wasted, Man.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but I’m — we gotta talk this out.

MR. CHANDLER: Nothing to talk about.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Of course we can talk it out.

MR. CHANDLER: Just be there tomorrow if you want to hear what I want to say. That’s all. And if they’re not there, then there’s nothing that anybody has to say, and that’s the end of it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, let me ask you this:

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah.

MR. SCHWARTZ: What if like, say, June and I are there?

MR. CHANDLER: No good.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why?

MR. CHANDLER: They all have to be there.

MR. SCHWARTZ: They all have to be there. In fact, if anybody were missing, it would be June that I wouldn’t care the most.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Who?

MR. CHANDLER: June. The one that I care the most about –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. How about if Jordy and I go?

MR. CHANDLER: No. Jordy and you?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And me?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: No.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why?

MR. CHANDLER: That’s silly. No. Michael has to be there. Michael has to be there. He’s the main one. He’s the one I want.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you think he’s a bad guy?

MR. CHANDLER: Michael?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: He’s an evil guy. He’s worse than bad.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And why do you believe that?

MR. CHANDLER: Huh?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why do you believe that?

MR. CHANDLER: I have the evidence to prove it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: You’ll believe it, too, when you hear –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. Let me ask you something. I mean, you trust me, right?

MR. CHANDLER: Let me put it to you this way, Dave. Nobody in this world was allowed to come between this family of June, me and Jordy. That was the hard [tape irregularity] be the opposite. That’s evil. That’s one reason why he’s evil. I spoke to him about it, Dave. I even told him that [tape irregularity] the family.

MR. SCHWARTZ: When did you talk to him?

MR. CHANDLER: About that?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Months ago. When I first met him I told him that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: That’s the law. That’s the first thing he knew. Nobody’s allowed to do that. Now there’s no family anymore.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I mean Jordy’s — Jordy’s my life. Period.

MR. SCHWARTZ: How does this help it.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) my life. What?

MR. SCHWARTZ: How does this help it?

MR. CHANDLER: It doesn’t. It doesn’t.I don’t know how it’ll help it. It can’t hurt it anymore. It’s — I have — that’s why I have nothing to lose. I made this really clear to them. If they’re all there, we could all sit and talk. If they’re not there –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, let me ask – okay.

MR. CHANDLER: — taking it out of my hands, and there won’t be any talking anymore. They have a chance. They have a chance to talk it out.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: If they’re not in a calm, peaceful manner –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — even said you can be there. You could be there. I’m not going to do anything with you there. Michael can come with  bodyguards and all with guns if he wants to. He can even come there with his [tape irregularity]. I don’t care. All I’m saying is everybody who’s a party to this (inaudible) sit down and talk about it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I don’t disagree with that.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay.

MR. SCHWARTZ: No, we’re not. See, now –

MR. CHANDLER: — don’t want to be there, then they have made it to the point where I can’t talk to them about it –

MR. SCHWARTZ: No.

MR. CHANDLER: — so I have to force them to the table –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, no. I don’t disagree with everyone sits down and talks about it.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, that’s what I’m calling — that’s what I called him about. Hello?

MR. SCHWARTZ: You mean, that was the message on the machine?

MR. CHANDLER: No. The man — yeah. That was the message on the machine. It said they’d better be there, because on the other times they tried — hello?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: The other times I tried to tell them that I needed to talk to them, all I

got was, “Go fuck yourself. We’re not talking to you.” So now I had to let them know and make sure that they know they’d [tape irregularity] they’re gonna get hurt by it, so (inaudible) — I had to make [tape irregularity] if they don’t sit down and talk to me they’re gonna get hurt. They can’t keep telling me to go fuck myself anymore. They have to talk. I want to talk to them. I don’t want to hurt anybody. They’re forcing me to do it. They’re forcing me to do it by refusing to sit down and talk to me. That’s all I ask for. “You sit down and you talk to me [tape irregularity] side of the story, I’ll listen to yours, we all sit down and see how it could be resolved.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. So that’s there –

MR. CHANDLER: That’s all I ask for.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but –

MR. CHANDLER: Michael can come with all his bodyguards and his lawyer if he wants to. I don’t really care, as long as everything gets aired out. That’s it. And if I walk away dissatisfied, then I’ll take it to the next step. That’s all. If they walk away dissatisfied, they have the right to do that, too. At least [tape irregularity] nothing will get resolved except for the fact that we’ll agree to meet again and talk about it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I don’t know where it’ll go, but I’m saying is that when people — when you — when people cut off communication totally, you only have two choices: To forget about them, or you get frustrated by their action. I can’t forget about them. I love them. That’s it. I don’t like them. I still love Jordy, but I do not like them because I do not like the people that they’ve become, but I do love them, and because I love them I don’t want to see them [tape irregularity]. That’s why I was willing to talk. I have nothing to gain by talking. If I go through with this, I win big time. There’s no way that I lose. I’ve checked that out inside out.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But when you say “winning,” what are you talking about, “winning”?

MR. CHANDLER: I will get everything I want, and they will be totally — they will be destroyed forever. They will be destroyed. June is gonna lose Jordy. She will have no right to ever see him again.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: That’s a fact, Dave.That’s what –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Does that help –

MR. CHANDLER: — Michael the career will be over.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Does that help Jordy?

MR. CHANDLER: Michael’s career will be over.

MR. SCHWARTZ: And does that help Jordy?

MR. CHANDLER: It’s irrelevant to me.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but I mean the bottom line is –

MR. CHANDLER: The bottom line to me is, yes, June is harming him, and Michael is harming him. I can prove that, and I will prove that

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and if they force me to go to court about it, I will [tape irregularity], and I will be granted custody. She will have no rights whatsoever.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Now, I’m willing to sitdown and talk to her. If she wants to tell me to go fuck myself after that, she’s welcome to do it, and then she’ll either be right or wrong. [tape irregularity] I’ll win, maybe I’ll lose. I have the [tape irregularity]

MR. SCHWARTZ: [tape irregularity] for custody?

MR. CHANDLER: Forget the custody thing. It’s gonna go further than that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But what’s the bottom — I mean, what is the bottom line, though?

MR. CHANDLER: What do you mean?

MR. SCHWARTZ: The bottom line is, I mean, your responsibility and my responsibility –

MR. CHANDLER: The bottom line (simultaneous, inaudible) what I want?

MR. SCHWARTZ: No –

MR. CHANDLER: Is that what you’re saying?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. I mean –

MR. CHANDLER: — what I want?

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, what’s our responsibility in life, really?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, you don’t have any right –

MR. SCHWARTZ: The kids is the number one –

MR. CHANDLER: — to discuss that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: What?

MR. CHANDLER: You don’t have any right to discuss that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why?

MR. CHANDLER: You’re a negligent father. You don’t have a right, by your own admission before. You told me that you were negligent.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: You were negligent to Jordy, and you’ve been negligent to Kelly.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: In a court — in a court of law, June could prove you negligent in one flat fucking second.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. So?

MR. CHANDLER: You don’t have any right to all of a sudden decide that you’re going to be a good father or have a conversation about what’s right to do. I’ve never condemned you for it. I know what you’re going through [tape irregularity] that. I understand you have to stay away in order to be a normal human being. I understand that, but no one’s gonna give a shit about that in court. You and I live [tape irregularity] but I’m still living through it every day at my office, and it’s just bad for me too, believe me, and I understand you really well, and I know why [tape irregularity] she’ll make you look bad in one second.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. I don’t disagree with that.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay. Well, this time it’s gonna be the other way around because she — you see, I love him so much that I’m willing to destroy my own life to protect him –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — to do what I think is the best thing to do, not just — it’s not what I think. I’ve gotten professional [tape irregularity] everybody agrees that the only thing that was insane is that I didn’t step in a long –

MR. SCHWARTZ: This is –

MR. CHANDLER: This is –

MR. SCHWARTZ: — detrimental to him?

MR. CHANDLER: Extremely harmful to him.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Everybody agrees with that. I mean, they — it’s their opinions that have convinced me to not stay away. You know, I’m not confrontational. I’ve got an [tape irregularity] inclination to do what you do, say, “Okay. Go fuck yourself. Go do what you want to do, and, you know, call me some day. I’ll see you then. I got a [tape irregularity],” but I’ve been so convinced by professional opinions that I have been negligent in not stepping in sooner that now it’s made me insane. Now I actually feel [tape irregularity] –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Oh, I do, and I –

MR. CHANDLER: — [tape irregularity] more important than the money, if the kid’s more important that you are, and they’re more important than I am –

MR. SCHWARTZ: And they are.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay. Then –

MR. SCHWARTZ: But let me ask –

MR. CHANDLER: — by action, Dave.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay, but –

MR. CHANDLER: Staying away from the family is not a good way of indicating that you care about your family. It’s a copout, and you –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I don’t know if it’s a copout. It might be the –

MR. CHANDLER: My feeling is, Dave, my feeling is that when you have really good communication with somebody, you don’t have to stay away from them.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, what happens when you –

MR. CHANDLER: — agree, but at least you could talk. You know, as long as you’re talking, nobody’s gonna get hurt. When the talking stops, that’s when people get hurt.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And that’s what happened with you?

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, that’s what happened with me. They won’t return my phone calls. June called me once last week.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: She told me to go fuck myself. Not in those words.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: But you don’t have to say it in those words.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But you know June.

MR. CHANDLER: I –

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, you know her thing is that she has to get the last word in.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, she isn’t this time, Dave, and you want to know something –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but you put her down for that?

MR. CHANDLER: Do I put her down?

MR. SCHWARTZ: For that?

MR. CHANDLER: I never did before, but when her getting her last word is now going to be harmful to Jordy, yes, I am going to step in, and, again, I’m not telling you this is my — my opinion was formed by –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — but this is my perception of [tape irregularity] professional opinions to make sure I wasn’t going off the deep end here.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And all I’m telling you is — I’ve always said this to June, and I’ve said this to Monique also, and I’ll say this to anybody I can. No matter what I do, you’re wrong automatically if you don’t sit down and talk about it, because my feeling is [tape irregularity] and you [tape irregularity] talk anything will be worked out. But as soon as you cut off communication you only frustrate the other person. And that makes — and that makes you wrong [tape irregularity] worse that way. You say to them, “I don’t care enough about you to sit down and talk.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: I don’t disagree with that.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, that’s all I was asking. I’ve asked them for a month to sit down and talk to me, and I’m very disturbed and very concerned. I want them to hear my concerns.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Let them just tell me why I’m wrong. Let them just tell me that [tape irregularity] detrimental, etcetera. Let them just tell me that. And maybe I’ll disagree with them, and then we’ll take it from there.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But at least you can talk about it.

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. I mean, they will not talk.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) forced me –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –

MR. CHANDLER: What do I do? I mean, in the opinion of these experts, I would be a negligent father if I did not do what I am now doing.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: In fact, in their opinion I have been negligent not to put a stop to [tape irregularity] opinion. I happen to agree with them now. I didn’t agree with them at first. Michael [tape irregularity] nice [tape irregularity] –

MR. SCHWARTZ: So why do you think he’s not nice?

MR. CHANDLER: Why? Because he broke up the family, that’s why.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And he was put on notice from the first sentence out of my mouth was, “Michael, I think you’re really a great guy. You’re welcome into the family, as long as you are who you seem to be, but don’t take anything [tape irregularity].” I mean, that to me was the worst thing anybody could do to me.

MR. SCHWARTZ: And you think he did it?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, Dave, if he wasn’t in the picture, everything would be as it was. I’m not –

MR. SCHWARTZ: But that’s sort of –

MR. CHANDLER: — saying that he did it premeditative, and I’m not saying he did it on his own.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m saying that he might have — it might have just evolved that way, and it might have evolved that [tape irregularity] desire, so I’m blaming all three of them, but when I come to that [tape irregularity], it really makes me hate June because the family was inviolate, [tape irregularity] felt about it. There was nothing I had. I mean, you came in this family and made it better. It was great. Someone else comes along and breaks it up. You know how [tape irregularity]. Okay. So do I [tape irregularity] coming into the family who’s going to do good things for the family.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But, I mean –

MR. CHANDLER: Michael divided and conquered, Dave.

MR. SCHWARTZ: He what?

MR. CHANDLER: He divided and conquered.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –

MR. CHANDLER: He did, Dave. He did.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Oh –

MR. CHANDLER: June and I agreed on the issue, whether it was her side or my side. If we both thought the same way [tape irregularity] any frustration. The fact is we both do not think the same way, and he — and I sincerely believe that he either consciously [tape irregularity] manipulated that. I think he consciously manipulated that because Michael Jackson [tape irregularity] the smartest streetwise people –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — that I’ve ever met, and if you sit down and have any long conversations with him, [tape irregularity] that guy is extremely bright.

MR. SCHWARTZ: So is that good or bad?

MR. CHANDLER: That he’s bright?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I think that if you use it for bad then you’re evil.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, do you think he’s sensitive?

MR. CHANDLER: Do I what?

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, you know him a lot better than I know him. I don’t know him. I mean, I’ve talked to him a couple times, but –

MR. CHANDLER: I thought I knew him.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think he’s sensitive?

MR. CHANDLER: I think he’s totally insensitive. I think he’s sensitive — I think he’s an extremely selfish person.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that he knows what was going on?

MR. CHANDLER: Of course he knows that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, this is the bottom line. The bottom line is I abandoned the family.

MR. CHANDLER: What?

MR. SCHWARTZ: The bottom line is I abandoned the family. That’s the bottom line.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) line –

MR. SCHWARTZ: — so this is –

MR. CHANDLER: The bottom line is — the bottom line is he took Jordy out of the family with June’s help.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, yes and no, but, I mean, there’s a lot of things, and I — I mean, you’re bright, you’re sensitive –

MR. CHANDLER: Why don’t I put it this way, Dave. If you were there all the time, living in that house –

MR. SCHWARTZ: It wouldn’t have happened.

MR. CHANDLER: That’s right. It wouldn’t have even had a chance to happen.

MR. SCHWARTZ: It wouldn’t have happened, and I — it’s all my fault.

MR. CHANDLER: No, it isn’t all your fault.

MR. SCHWARTZ: It is definitely a hundred percent my fault.

MR. CHANDLER: I’ll tell you what. Whenever you have an argument with somebody, when I have an argument with Monique, when you have an argument with June, if I have an argument with you, it’s rarely one sided. There’s almost — you know, there’s always two sides to every –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. There’s ten sides to every –

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) you can’t tell me, realistically, that June didn’t frustrate the hell out of you so many times that you finally left the house just to be sane, just to be alone and come back to your own sanity to get anyplace with her.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, you know, I agree with that completely, but the only thing is what — see, I haven’t only done it with June. I do it in every other relationship and in my work relationships.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, then –

MR. SCHWARTZ: So it’s my hang-up.

MR. CHANDLER: — problem with that, then that problem has ultimately ended up bringing the family to this point. But you’re not solely to blame for it. It doesn’t mean that June was still — I didn’t do anything that — they didn’t have the right to take my kid away from me, to break up the family.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well – I’m in my garage. Can I call you back from the house?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: At the same number?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: If I don’t call you back in five minutes it means it’s off my pager. Call me at the house.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m in the garage right now.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: Bye.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Bye.

CONVERSATION  between Dave Schwartz and Evan Chandler:

MR. SCHWARTZ: Hi.

MR. CHANDLER: Hi. I’m on a cordless phone, so let’s not use –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Don’t you have a regular phone?

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, but it’s in the kitchen, and I don’t want to go upstairs.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m still wasted, Man.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Not as tired as me. Oh, you’re probably as tired as me.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, I mean, we just don’t — we don’t have to mention any names.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. If we could do this: If — I’m telling you, and you know I — just talking it out, I mean, I have a definite communication problem in my — I mean, what happens is when I get frustrated or I — I mean, I just withdraw. I’ve been doing it forever. I mean, I’ve done it forever with everything, and it works, you know, for — it works for me. I mean because I get through it and it just works and then I’m back and it’s no –

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, except do you want to know something? That can also be — you think that that’s the best way to do something, but if you look at it closely, I mean, I’ve always been that way too. Nothing’s really worked (inaudible) confrontation, and nothing’s as big a deal as it seems [tape irregularity] –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Oh, yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — except — and so you back off, and everything sort of takes care of itself –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right, in time.

MR. CHANDLER: — except in this time my looking the other way and my failing to deal with the issues have harmed my son greatly. I believe that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, are you talking about harmed him in the relationship with you?

MR. CHANDLER: Well, that’s for sure.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But –

MR. CHANDLER: — (inaudible) forever.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, you know, I think he’s frustrated about me and maybe taking it out on you.

MR. CHANDLER: No.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Because — no. He has said a few things in the past. You know, I’ve disappeared for, you know, long periods of time.

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, you have.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right. And he has mentioned — you know, he’s a real sensitive kid –

MR. SCHWARTZ: But why do you take total blame for it? It’s never one person’s fault.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Now I’m telling you it’s my fault. I know it’s my fault, and –

MR. CHANDLER: You see –

MR. SCHWARTZ: — whatever –

MR. CHANDLER: — you think by doing that you might be — you might be doing a lot of harm.

How many times can an [tape irregularity] — when there’s two human beings involved, there’s two sides to the story. I mean, it’s automatic. Two people could witness the same story in two different ways. What I’m saying is that I was married to June. I’ve known June since –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. For a long time.

MR. CHANDLER: — ‘ or something like that, so what I’m saying is that I know her really well. I think I do. Maybe I don’t. I guess I don’t because I suddenly saw a part of her — a side of her which I really hate.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but they’re into survival.

MR. CHANDLER: What do you mean?

MR. SCHWARTZ: They’re into survival –

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) are you talking about? What do you mean “survival”? Because why? What makes it — what do you mean?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I mean, they don’t know what’s going on. I have made them — June’s real macho –

MR. CHANDLER: That’s exactly right.

MR. SCHWARTZ: — on the surface, and underneath she’s just insecure like all of us. Everyone is.

MR. CHANDLER: Dave –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Everyone’s insecure. JFK was insecure. Everyone is.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay.

MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s the bottom line.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay. Let’s say they are.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. Now, I haven’t really analyzed this until we’re just talking right now.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I put the blame on me a hundred percent.

MR. CHANDLER: You put the blame on you –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Completely a hundred percent.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m sorry. I –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Completely.

MR. CHANDLER: Let me put it to you this way, okay? You put all of — you put the three of them on the stand (simultaneous, inaudible) –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — any questions, and they will all be asked questions, and they will all have psychological examinations –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) given lie detector tests.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m going to tell you what. There is no excuse in law for June having done what she does. Despite the fact that you might say it’s your fault –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — whatever you say is going to [tape irregularity] capable of making her own decisions –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and she made those decisions to the harm of her son, despite the fact that, yeah, maybe she’s insecure, maybe she’s macho on the surface, and maybe you fucked her over. Maybe you did. Maybe you didn’t.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Nobody’s gonna give a shit about that. I know what you’re saying.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

MR. CHANDLER: And I agree with you, and I think that had you two had a really good [tape irregularity], maybe she wouldn’t have had to do what she did.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

MR. CHANDLER: And I know what you’re saying, and it breaks my heart, but I truly believe my son is being harmed greatly and that his life — he could be fucked up for the rest of his life [tape irregularity].

MR. SCHWARTZ: You gotta tell me why you think he’s being screwed up.

MR. CHANDLER: I have the evidence.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I know, but what — I don’t know what evidence. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, you’ll see.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But why can’t you tell me? I swear –

MR. CHANDLER: You show up in court and you’ll see it on the big fucking screen –

MR. SCHWARTZ: But what –

MR. CHANDLER: — and then you’ll know what I’m talking about.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And you’ll hear in on tape recordings.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: You’ll hear it all. You’ll see it all, just like I have.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: It cost me thousands, tens of thousands of dollars –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — to get the information I got, and I — you know I don’t have that kind of money –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and I spent it, and I’m willing to spend more, and I’m willing –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — to go down financially to –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that’s going to help Jordy?

MR. CHANDLER: Dave, Jordy’s — I believe that Jordy’s already irreparably harmed.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: That’s my true belief.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you think that he’s fucking him?

MR. CHANDLER: I don’t know. I have no idea.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But harmed in — in just been spoiled?

MR. CHANDLER: No.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Just tell me –

MR. CHANDLER: You know, you gotta forgive me for one thing, but I have been told by my lawyer that if I say one thing to anybody –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: — don’t bother calling him again. He said this case is so open [tape irregularity] “You open your mouth and you blow it,” he said, “just don’t come back to me.”

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. I respect that. Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: Not that I don’t trust you or anything –

MR. SCHWARTZ: I know. I respect it.

MR. CHANDLER: You have a vested interest in it –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: And let me tell you this, by the way: What harm would it be to you, what harm would it be to your relationship to June, if Michael wasn’t around anymore? You say that you [tape irregularity] your fault. You say that you made her insecure.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait.

MR. CHANDLER: So if he wasn’t around anymore –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah?

MR. CHANDLER: — what do you think she’s going to do? She’s going to come back to you. She doesn’t need you anymore. She doesn’t even want you around anymore. She’s told me and she’s told you — I’m sure she’s told you that if [tape irregularity] Michael she’ll get rid of you. She’s told me that. She means it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –

MR. CHANDLER: She means –

MR. SCHWARTZ: The only thing I told you before is I told her I didn’t want him buying her things in Europe. I gave her some money. And then when he did buy her things and she told me, I got pissed off at her. And that’s it, and that’s really the whole thing. That’s all we ever talked about.

MR. CHANDLER: How do you feel about her going off on tour with him? You told me when you were there the other day that everybody’s been calling you saying “Your wife’s been [tape irregularity]” –

MR. SCHWARTZ: It does [tape irregularity] –

MR. CHANDLER: And let me tell you something, by the way. That’s the best thing that could happen to him, is that people think he’s interested in June.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: The fact is, he has no interest in her whatsoever. The fact is he doesn’t even care about her. He doesn’t even like her. He’s [tape irregularity] –

MR. SCHWARTZ: You don’t think he likes her?

MR. CHANDLER: I know he doesn’t. He told me he doesn’t. He can’t stand her. He told me that when –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Huh! He can’t stand her?

MR. CHANDLER: No. He told me that when he was in my house.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. At that point he liked us better than — Jordy too. Jordy’s the same as Michael. It was a simple divide and conquer. They felt us both out.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: They saw who was going  to let them do what they wanted to do, and then they made their choice.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And until I had a talk with Jordy one day at [tape irregularity] –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — they were gonna come live with me. They were gonna pack up, leave June’s house, and come here.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: That’s what they were going to do, because they were getting more resistance from her than they were getting from me. You cannot tell this stuff — you cannot — I’m confiding in you, okay, Dave?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: Right? That’s –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Absolutely.

MR. CHANDLER: Nobody’s to know this conversation –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) except you and me; is that right?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: You promise me?

MR. SCHWARTZ: I promise you.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay. What I’m telling  you is that Jordy and Michael are users.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: They had — they were gonna — they had their own relationship.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: They want to carry it out the way they want to carry it out. They don’t want anybody getting in the way [tape irregularity] — least resistance, and that’s the way they’re going. They simply divided and conquered, and June went along with it. And she was wrong because she did it to the detriment of Jordy.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Jordy is not old enough to make these kind of [tape irregularity] that he’s making.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But is that a huge life decision?

MR. CHANDLER: Oh, you bet it is.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you — were you — let me ask you this: Did you ever pull away from your parents when you were a teenager?

MR. CHANDLER: I hated my parents.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think Jordy hates you?

MR. CHANDLER: If he doesn’t, he’s gonna hate me tomorrow.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But why do you –

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) to –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you want that?

MR. CHANDLER: It doesn’t matter what I want.

MR. SCHWARTZ: But why would you want him to hate you, and why would you want to put him through that –

MR. CHANDLER: Because all I care about is what happens to him in the long run.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, the long run, is that going to be healthy in the long run?

MR. CHANDLER: According to the experts?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Absolutely.

According to the experts, if it goes on the way it is, he’s doomed. He has no chance of ever being a happy, healthy, normal human being, no

MR. SCHWARTZ: So what happens if you force him not to see him?

MR. CHANDLER: Not to see Michael?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: Nobody’s saying for sure what will happen. Most people’s feeling is that he’s gonna go on and hate me for a long time and then some day when he gets older he’ll thank me.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And why do you think he hates you now?

MR. CHANDLER: I said I think he’ll — I said he may or may not hate me now –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — but he’ll definitely hate me tomorrow. He’ll hate me, why? Because I’m taking Michael away from him. That’s why.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: And that’s a –

MR. SCHWARTZ: So you really think Michael’s bad for him?

MR. CHANDLER: I know Michael’s bad for him.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: You know how I know that? Why would somebody, Dave — if you tell me this, think of this logically. What reason would he want us split up — [tape irregularity] would he want me out of the way? What would be the reason, unless he has something to hide?

MR. SCHWARTZ: But –

MR. CHANDLER: I know what he has to hide. I happen to know what it is.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: But I can’t tell you.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

MR. CHANDLER: I’m just asking you in terms of logic. You know me. I’m not — I’m a pretty liberal guy.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I don’t get in anybody’s way, okay? So, I mean, what reason would he want me out of the way to such an extent that neither one of them will take my phone calls, neither one of them will talk to me?

MR. SCHWARTZ: I think Jordy’s taken my route of just withdrawing.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, one of the lessons he’s gonna learn is that that route doesn’t work. See, you just learned that lesson yourself. By you withdrawing, as you said in your own words, you’re the cause of this whole problem.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, I think I am.

MR. CHANDLER: Okay. So that’s what withdrawal does for you. My approach to the whole thing is that the one person — the person who doesn’t talk is the one who’s wrong, period –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — no matter what the action was, I believe everything is preventable, every bad action that anybody takes is — unless you’re truly pathologic –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — is probably preventable if you just found somebody who would sit [tape irregularity] you know what? They don’t even have to talk back and give you [tape irregularity] if you get it out, everything will be okay, you know, but that’s my approach. My approach is that the people who don’t talk are the ones who are wrong.

MR. SCHWARTZ: And I agree with that, totally.

MR. CHANDLER: Well, then you’re wrong.

MR. SCHWARTZ: No. I –

MR. CHANDLER: You (inaudible) –

MR. SCHWARTZ: I just said I am wrong, but here is the other — I mean, the thing is Jordy’s  years old. I’m talking about adults. I mean, I don’t know if he — I mean, you’re his dad. You’re his role model.

MR. CHANDLER: No, I’m not his role model.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yes, you are, definitely –

MR. CHANDLER: Not anymore.

MR. SCHWARTZ: You are, positively, in the long run, you’re his role model.

MR. CHANDLER: There is no — there isn’t gonna be a long run if things went on like this. Don’t you see? As long as I go along with whatever they want to do –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — everything’s okay. As soon as I say you can’t [tape irregularity] anybody –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Did you go through that?

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, I went through that.

MR. SCHWARTZ: And how old were you?

MR. CHANDLER: Why do you — oh, with my parents?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: No, I didn’t go through that with my parents. I never had any outside influence on me –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — was more powerful than my parents were.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I mean, Michael is very seductive, without even trying.

MR. CHANDLER: Oh, he’s trying, believe me. He just looks like he’s not trying because he’s so damn good at it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I mean, it’s –

MR. CHANDLER: Dave, he fooled me –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — I’ll tell you that. He fooled me, for a while.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you think this is –

MR. CHANDLER: There’s no reason why they would have to cut me out unless they — unless they need me to be away so they can do certain things which I don’t think are good to be doing.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And I — and not only that, but I don’t even have anything to say about it, okay? [tape irregularity] I think what they’re doing and it isn’t bad, and so maybe I’m wrong –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — but I’m not even getting a chance to express that.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I think that’s all — I think it’s all fair because –

 MR. CHANDLER: I had a good communication with Michael.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: We were friends, you know. I liked him.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I respected him and everything else for what he is, you know. There was no reason why he had to stop calling me. He could have called me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: In fact, Dave, I — you ask Jordy. I sat in the room one day, and I talked to Michael and told him exactly what I want out of this whole relationship, what I want [tape irregularity], okay, so he wouldn’t have to figure me out.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And one of things I said is we always have to be able to talk to each other.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: That’s the rule, okay, because I know that as soon as you stop talking weird things start going on and people [tape irregularity] –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Imaginations take over.

 MR. CHANDLER: Imagination will just kill you.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: It causes all kinds of problems, and so, I mean –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, can you do this –

 MR. CHANDLER: Do you think you — look. Do you know what it’s like? You go out with — listen. I — just that old expression, you know. It came from some movie. How does it go? “Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean somebody isn’t [tape irregularity].” You know that expression?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay. What it really means is that you may think I’m crazy –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) I’m thinking is actually right, but what I’m saying to you is that I’ve had every single girl — and I am not kidding you — every [tape irregularity] ever gone out with, from the very first girl to the very last, has heated on me, and I have never cheated on anybody.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I would never. Now, if I wanted to, based on that history, I could be so fucking paranoid about girls, I would never –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — be able to [tape irregularity] relationship. I wouldn’t be able to [tape irregularity] was like, I couldn’t have a family. I’d be a fucking raving lunatic. Okay?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: But what’s my point? My point is that the only thing that keeps me from getting that way is that I can talk about it and be reassured [tape irregularity] on it in my imagination — I mean, my wife’s not home tonight.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: She’s gonna be at a meeting until : o’clock in the morning.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: Right? This has happened many times.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: She’s going to go away to Cannes Film Festival next year –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — right? Do you know what that’s like?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: That Film Festival’s a fucking sex party.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Next year, without me, okay? Now, if I didn’t have a chance to talk to her about my fears, my [tape irregularity],  probably shoot her, or I’d divorce her.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And I’m not saying her as an individual. Wouldn’t matter who — I could be married to Mother Teresa and I’d have the same feeling. It’s just because of what [tape irregularity] that I’ve been — my finger’s been stuck in the electric socket so much that I don’t want to get stuck in there again, so I keep — and girls do that to me, you know? They keep fucking me up, so –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: So what was –

 MR. CHANDLER: — bothers me. I might be totally irrational –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — but you want to know why I’m not crazy about it at all and I have a great relationship and I trust her and everything is fine?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Because she’ll sit down and she’ll talk to me about it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: And she’s wildly in love with you.

 MR. CHANDLER: She tells me she is.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: She is.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, it’s very obvious.

 MR. CHANDLER: And you want to know what I told her? I told her this. I said June — “Monique,” I said, “if you ever want to sleep with somebody else or if you don’t love me anymore, if you come to me and you tell me that [tape irregularity] out of the house and fuck his brains out, I’ll love you forever, I’ll support you and wish you well. But if it’s the other way around, you fuck him first and then you [tape irregularity], I’ll kill you, period.” I said, “Those are the rules. If you want to stay with me, you gotta understand that’s the only way I can survive. That’s how I live.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: It’s all comes — that’s what really relationships –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, trust is real important.

 MR. CHANDLER: When you get down to relationships like we — like really intimate ones, okay?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Like you and I. I trust you with my life.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: And I know you trust me too.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay? And with Monique, I said, “That’s all I’m after.”

 MR. SCHWARTZ: What does she say?

 MR. CHANDLER: She said, “I understand. That’s fine.” She said, “It’ll never happen. I don’t know why you’re bringing it up, but if you’re bringing it up, I won’t do it. Trust me. It won’t happen.” I said, “Okay. I’m just — I’m telling you now ahead of time” –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s good communication.

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. I mean, I’m not being embarrassed by it –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: — I’m not keeping it inside. I want to have a good marriage and a good relationship

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and I know this is one issue that bothers me, no matter who that girl would be.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay? I’m not –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: In any –

 MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) personal against her.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: It’s just with me. It’s my problem, and so I’m letting her know that I have a problem. I’m not hiding anything. I’d not trying to be macho cool dude about it.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: And so if I wasn’t able to talk to her, this marriage would have been over a long time ago.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Because [tape irregularity] –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Don’t we learn like that?

 MR. CHANDLER: Because of my imagination, Dave.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but don’t we learn through experiences –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) want to know what I really think? I really think most people don’t learn. I think at some point in our lives we develop behavior patterns, and even if we know that they’re wrong we just can’t break them.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: You know –

 MR. CHANDLER: Most people can’t change their behaviors.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) they are at a certain –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yes and no, but I think you get –

 MR. CHANDLER: Look at you. Are you going to change now because of what happened here?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, interesting –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) be different? Is your marriage going to be better? Are you going to — you know, you guys have no right to be married. I told June that myself many times. She would call me all the time and say, “Did Dave call Kelly? Did Dave call Jordy?” No. What kind of fucking marriage do you guys have? Why don’t you guys just split up so he could see his kids, at least –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: You know, if he doesn’t want to come over to the house because of you, then get divorced so he could see his kids. There’s nothing wrong with that. You know, you might be better friends. She and I were better friends when we [tape irregularity], and what I’m saying to her is that if there’s no — if there’s no communication, there’s no sense in being together with anybody, whether it’s a marriage or a friendship or a business relationship. If you cannot sit down and talk [tape irregularity] ultimately gonna destruct, and that’s what happened here. They shut me out from the most important thing in my life. In fact, I don’t have a life. I don’t want to have a life [tape irregularity].

MR. SCHWARTZ: I understand it, too, but I gotta tell you, in just talking to you this

 time, see, Jordy’s copying me.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, he’s positively copying me. I mean, he’s been with both of us since — I mean, I’ve had him since he’s — almost as long as you have.

 MR. CHANDLER: That’s right.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: And he’s –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) had him as long as he’s been cognizant of the fact of who’s around him –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right, so –

 MR. CHANDLER: — learned a lot from you.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, and one of the things he learned, probably, was just to withdraw, because I do it, but, you know, I’m not chastising myself for it. I’m just looking at it objectively. I mean, realistically. I mean, I would say –

 MR. CHANDLER: You haven’t (inaudible) and in some way it’s resonated throughout the family –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and partly been the cause of all this happening.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right, but I mean he’s, you know, he’s learned a lot of good things from me.

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, I’m sure he –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But, you know, I mean, everyone’s not perfect.

 MR. CHANDLER: No. Everyone’s not.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But I think –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Inaudible) expect everyone to be, but you gotta expect people that claim to love you to communicate with you because if there’s communication there’s nothing. What’s the sense of having your relationship? People don’t even care enough about you to — you tell them — I actually told June how much I was hurting. I said –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — “I’m hurting, June. I’m crying every day. I’m dying.”

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but they’re going through every –

 MR. CHANDLER: Do you know what she said to me?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: What?

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, that’s just too bad. Fuck that.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but you can’t — I mean, you know June.

 MR. CHANDLER: I can’t make excuses for June.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: There’s no way to make — there’s nothing to make an excuse. I mean, we all have our good points and our bad points, and we all have things that –

 MR. CHANDLER: I think, you know, her bad points [tape irregularity] gone too far. I really do.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I think you gotta look at the overall picture. I mean, now we’re talking –

 MR. CHANDLER: I am looking at — I’m looking at Jordy’s picture. That’s the only picture I’m looking at. I — June’s not part of it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But do you think that –

 MR. CHANDLER: I know that after tomorrow — in fact, not even after tomorrow. It’s already happened. I don’t ever want anything to do with June anymore because June is not part of my family. In my mind, she’s died. I don’t ever want to talk to her again. [tape irregularity] sitting on the stand being totally humiliated or at the end of a shotgun. That’s the only way I want to see June now. She’s gotta [tape irregularity] do this to kid. Again, it’s not right. Can do it to me. Can’t do it to my kid. It’s not right.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you think that whatever’s happening, if you think it’s bad for him, she’s done, you know, out of malice?

 MR. CHANDLER: You want to know something? You don’t even have to ask me. You could — as you said before, you want to sit down and talk to the people I spoke to –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — you’re going to have a chance to do that if you want to. You go and ask the experts –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and you won’t have to ask. They will be there anyway. There’s not one person in this world [tape irregularity] can’t find a person –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — disagree with me. I’m the one that disagreed with — I didn’t even want to know about it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I kept saying, “No, this is okay. There’s nothing wrong. This is great.” It took experts to convince me [tape irregularity] that by not taking action –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — my son was going to be irreparably damaged for the rest of his life [tape irregularity]. That was what I heard.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because his friend is older, or because of all the seduction?

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, you know, age in and of itself is not a harmful thing.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: But it could have been used to advantage, and in some ways Michael is using his age and experience and his money and his power to great advantage to Jordy. The problem is he’s also harming him, greatly harming him, for his own selfish reasons. He’s not the altruistic, kind human being that he appears to be.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) selfish motives here.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: You mean, harming Jordy because it’s taken him out of reality?

 MR. CHANDLER: It’s not so much really what he’s taken him out of. It’s what he’s brought him into.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I mean, I don’t mean to be devious. I just can’t be –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: You can’t tell me.

 MR. CHANDLER: — specific about it, but I tell you that, again, it all comes down to one thing. They don’t want to talk to me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Jordy — yeah, he’s 13 years old. He’s only [tape irregularity], hoping that the problem will go away by itself, but June’s old enough to know better. June’s the one that’s frustrated me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, you know, this is the deal: I talked to Jordy about it today, about, you know, his not contacting you and not calling you on Father’s Day and not sending you anything. He’s confused June — and this is the truth and from him. June did everything to get him to send you a card, to call and everything. He’s just frustrated, you know, and I don’t know about what or — you know, it’s just like he’s scared or doesn’t know what to do or –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Inaudible).

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me?

 MR. CHANDLER: June didn’t do a thing to have him call me or send me a card by her own admission to me last time. She didn’t give a shit, is what she told me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but I don’t believe that because, I mean –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) told me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because, I mean –

 MR. CHANDLER: I –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: With June and — I talked to them today.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then, she’s lying to you, Dave.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but would Jordy lie?

 MR. CHANDLER: Now they’re scared shit.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: No. Would Jordy — no, because they don’t know anything about it. I didn’t even tell them that I had talked to you this morning, okay?

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) them know you heard the message.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And what are you going there all of a sudden? You haven’t been there –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Last night’s the first night I’ve been there.

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. By accident?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, it’s Kelly’s birthday. I mean, you know, I got — it’s tough for me too. It’s not easy. I mean, you don’t really know what’s going on with me, but, I mean, it’s very, very, very difficult times for me.

 MR. CHANDLER: So what?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Very.

 MR. CHANDLER: So what you’re saying is that because of your problem you sacrifice the kids.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I did it –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) money all during –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. I just — I fucked up, but –

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, you fucked up.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) I’m not fucking up –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: — when you’re trying to survive –

 MR. CHANDLER: Hey, Dave, it doesn’t matter. You want to know something? When my father was dying of cancer –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and he had — and he got in a car crash that crushed his leg and his spinal cord –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — at the same time and he was in incredible pain –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — I used to talk to him about it –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and he would say, “You know what?” I’d say, “Why don’t you — you never talk — you never talk about it, you never complain to anybody.” He said, “You know what? Because everybody’s got their own problems, and nobody’s gonna think that my problem’s any worse than their problem.”

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And so as bad as your problem is [tape irregularity] it may not be on the same scale, but emotionally, financially, psychologically, it’s devastating me as much as [tape irregularity].

 MR. SCHWARTZ: And I accept that.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But I — let me –

 MR. CHANDLER: I’m telling you this: That as bad as my life is, I’m willing to let it get a lot worse –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and sacrifice whatever it is — and I don’t even consider it a sacrifice — give up whatever it is so that my son won’t be damaged. You’re not willing to do that. You fall apart just to save one of your kids [tape irregularity] away from my practice, from my family, from my wife, from Cody, from everybody else, do whatever I have to do –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: And you think that’ll save Jordy? I mean, don’t you think there’s a happy medium?

 MR. CHANDLER: No. We’re not gonna save him. June’s not gonna save him. Who’s gonna save him? Gotta be me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you really think he has –

 MR. CHANDLER: — one.

MR. SCHWARTZ: You don’t think it’s just gonna run its course?

 MR. CHANDLER: Dave . . .

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, you know more than I know, so I’m at a disadvantage.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then, I will tell you without question. It’s gone way too far.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Jordy is never going to be the same person he was.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: It’s never — by the time it runs its course –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — if it does, he will be so damaged he’ll never recover –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and that’s not my opinion. I mean, I happen to be believe it now because my eyes have been opened –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — but I’m not the one that first [tape irregularity], so what I’m saying to you is that I’m acting because [tape irregularity] I’m going to cause him great harm, and you tell me if maybe it’s gonna cause him harm right now. I think he’ll be harmed much greater if I do nothing, and besides now I’m convinced that if I do nothing I’m going to be, from doing nothing, causing him harm, and I couldn’t –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Did you discuss that with Monique?

 MR. CHANDLER: Not really.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I mean, I don’t want her involved. I mean, she would just like the whole thing to go away.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: But we’ve had a nice little relationship and a great new marriage and a nice little family –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and everything’s terrific over here.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And, you know, I’ve tried to explain to Cody why his brother doesn’t call him and he doesn’t come over here. You know [tape irregularity] whole world, and I’m not exaggerating.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: (Inaudible) Jordy.

MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. You ask Monique when you speak to her if he doesn’t bring it up every conversation –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, inaudible) out during the day. Cody spent about two weeks crying his eyes out. He’d have nightmares about Jordy. He’d get up in the middle of the night and come crying into our bed. I’d listen to him talk, and I would break down –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and I couldn’t even — I mean, I couldn’t even — I couldn’t — I didn’t know what to say to him, you know? What can you say?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: It was the saddest thing I [tape irregularity]. I mean, how do you do that?  years old. There’s no — you know, and a [tape irregularity] just come into it? I ask you this: If Michael Jackson were just some -year-old person, would this be happening? No. He’s got power, he’s got money, he’s got seduction. [tape irregularity] happening [tape irregularity] they’ve been seduced away from the family by power and by money.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And by this guy’s image.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: He could be the same person without the power and the money, and they wouldn’t even be talking to him. You know it and I know it. So for power and money and his image, June and Jordy have broken up the family, and even though [tape irregularity] a lot better, because I’ve sat down and talked to him, and I’ve told him long before it came down to going this far –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — that Cody was really hysterical about him.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: And what does he say?

 MR. CHANDLER: He said that he would, you know, he would call him and he’d talk to him and stuff, and he tried, you know.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: As time went on, the times between when he did call or see Cody got longer and longer and longer and longer until [tape irregularity] anymore. And you know what? He would do the same thing to Kelly. Kelly just happens to have to come along because June has to happen to come along –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — but if [tape irregularity] now, June wouldn’t be in the picture and neither would Kelly, any more than I am.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: They would have dumped her a long time ago. They even told me [tape irregularity]. They can’t stand her.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. Jordy can’t stand June?

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. Neither one of them like her. They don’t like anybody but each other.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: They don’t like you, and they don’t like me and they don’t like her. They don’t want anybody coming between them. [tape irregularity] got to be liminated. You go ahead and you see — you tell June. You tell June to start saying “No” to everything they want –

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: — and see what happens. The only reason she’s there is because she says “Yes” [tape irregularity] favorite as long as I was saying “Yes.” Trust me. I don’t know what’s happened to Jordy except he doesn’t care, literally does not care, if he would ever see him again. He hopes I would go away and not bother him. That’s [tape irregularity].

MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I know that’s not true.

MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) Michael.

MR. SCHWARTZ: I know that’s not true.

 MR. CHANDLER: I’m telling you. But that doesn’t matter, you know. I’m not taking it personally. I’m just trying to do what I have been led to believe is the right action to take so that he’s not harmed. I mean, Unfortunately, June and [tape irregularity] because in order to protect Jordy certain things are gonna have to come out, and those two are not going to have any defense against it whatsoever. They’re just going to be [tape irregularity] violently destroyed.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that it helps Jordy?

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, it’ll help Jordy because he won’t — he’ll never see Michael again. That’s –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you think that –

 MR. CHANDLER: And he’s probably never gonna see June again if I have to go through with this.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think –

 MR. CHANDLER: Unless I’d let him.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that would affect him?

 MR. CHANDLER: What?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: That he was — that this was done by force?

 MR. CHANDLER: You mean that Michael did this to him?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: No, that you, like, are forcing him not to see someone or take him away from his mom?

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, I am gonna force him not to see –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but do you think that’s the right way to do it?

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. I’ve been led to believe that it’s the right thing to do. In fact, it’s the right thing to do because how do you know? You don’t know what –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I don’t have a clue.

 MR. CHANDLER: Suppose you were to find out what they’re doing and you were to agree with me that these things that they’re doing are harmful to Jordy or –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I’d like to know.

 MR. CHANDLER: — be harmful.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, in my wildest imagination I can’t figure out what it is.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay. But suppose –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Unless it’s sex, and I don’t know, you know.

 MR. CHANDLER: Suppose that you were to find out that there were things going on that you believed were harmful to him? Would you say to me, “Hey, look. You know, I got things to do here [tape irregularity], but, you know, time will go by and everything will be okay”? I mean, that’s –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: No. What I would do — I’m not disagreeing with you.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay. Well, they won’t talk to me about those things. They won’t talk to me about anything.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Even about what you think they’re doing or about what you know they’re doing?

 MR. CHANDLER: What I know they’re doing.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I mean, I’ve tried to talk to Jordy. Jordy — Jordy does not talk to me. This stopped long before I told him he couldn’t [tape irregularity]. He just does not talk to me anymore. In fact, when he talks to Michael on the telephone, he goes in another room because I’m not allowed to hear what they’re talking about except I taped [tape irregularity] they’re talking about. Ha ha ha. Anyway, all I’m saying is that [tape irregularity] that I would be negligent to continue to do nothing [tape irregularity] gonna be because nobody really knows how Jordy will be affected one way or the other. I know for a fact that he’s going to be affected adversely if I do nothing.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: So I have nothing to lose.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Would you do me a big favor?

MR. CHANDLER: What?

MR. SCHWARTZ: Could you and I go to one of these shrinks and talk it over?

MR. CHANDLER: No.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Why not?

MR. CHANDLER: Because it’s too late, after : tomorrow.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But why not? Why couldn’t we go talk it over –

 MR. CHANDLER: Because the thing’s already — the thing has already been set in motion.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: It’s happening at :. : tomorrow –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — it’s out of my hands. I do nothing else again –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — after : tomorrow.

 It’s all been automatically set in motion.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I’m not even in contact anymore –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — with this person. This thing is –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Let me ask you this, then.

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) :, unless I call in –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and tell him not to do it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: So why don’t you call and say not to do it?

 MR. CHANDLER: Because I’m not going to.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why? Why wouldn’t you go with me? I mean, we trust each other. We respect each other. Why couldn’t you go with me and we’d decide together?

 MR. CHANDLER: Because I don’t want to talk to you about it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why?

 MR. CHANDLER: I want to talk to June and Jordy and Michael –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but why can’t you talk to me? I mean, I’m — I could be very –

 MR. CHANDLER: — be there tomorrow and –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me?

 MR. CHANDLER: You can be there at the meeting tomorrow, and you can get a chance to talk to him –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — if you want to, but if they don’t say, “Well, there’s not going to be a meeting” –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay.

 MR. CHANDLER: — I want to talk to them. I don’t want to talk to you.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Because you have had your head buried in Rent A Wreck, and you have no idea what’s going on –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and just because you all of a sudden decide to have some interest in [tape irregularity] I don’t [tape irregularity] going on. It will take you weeks to catch up –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — you’ll never know what’s going on by explanation.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: You’d have to have lived it. You’d have to have witnessed it. Myself would never have believed it –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — if I didn’t live through it, see it and hear it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I would not have believed it. And that’s all. I cannot take this [tape irregularity] over to you because that’s the only way you’re gonna know it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: The evidence is already locked up in a safe place –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and it’s gonna come out only [tape irregularity] let it come out, and that’s it. If they don’t talk to me tomorrow, out it comes.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. Well, but let me ask you this- -

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) Michael Jackson — Michael Jackson’s career, Dave. This man is gonna be humiliated beyond belief. You’ll not believe it. He will not believe what’s going to happen to him.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Beyond his worst nightmares. [tape irregularity] not sell one more record.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: That’s for sure. And I mean I’m [tape irregularity] it just has to happen in order to get — to keep [tape irregularity] and it doesn’t have to happen if they show up tomorrow.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: But if they don’t show up — and I’ve made it very clear — I’ve tried to make it really clear on that answering machine, “This is the last chance to talk. If you talk, we have a chance. If we don’t talk, it’s all over.” It’s out of my hands. I mean, what else can I do?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I don’t — you know, I don’t –

 MR. CHANDLER: What’s the disadvantage to you if Michael Jackson’s destroyed and out of the family? What good is he doing you?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: What harms it — well, it has nothing to — I’m only thinking of Jordy.

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) come over to talk to you, you seemed pretty damned upset that everybody was telling you that Michael Jackson has taken your family away from you. You even went so far as to tell me you couldn’t get bank loans because of that [tape irregularity] turn around completely  degrees.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: It’s not turning around .

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) for Michael Jackson.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I’ll tell you what I’m concerned about.

 MR. CHANDLER: What?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I’m concerned about Jordy.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, if you were concerned about Jordy, you should have been around a long time ago, because I have been.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Where have you been?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I’ve been there plenty for him. I mean, in the  years I’ve been there a lot.

 MR. CHANDLER: I agree –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I would say –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) day –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I would say this: So I made a few mistakes, but –

 MR. CHANDLER: Why –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I can’t condemn myself for it.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, why all of a sudden do you not want to be there?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Did I not want to be there?

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because I’ve been in a survival mode.

 MR. CHANDLER: Oh, okay.

MR. SCHWARTZ: And, you know –

 MR. CHANDLER: The fact of the matter is –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: You know, you do what you have to do, and sometimes you make the wrong move, and sometimes your emotions make you do it, and sometimes it’s just — it’s the way that you face it. Sometimes you –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) survival mode, and so you’re doing what you’re doing, and I’m not in a survival mode. I’m trying for him to survive –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, what I –

 MR. CHANDLER: — doing what I think –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I’ll tell you what. I would die for that kid. I mean, I have — you don’t know what I’ve done for that kid.

 MR. CHANDLER: Easy to say that, Dave, but when you tell me you’re in a survival mode so you can’t pay attention to your children, it doesn’t jive with “I would die for that kid.”

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. I’m ashamed of that. I’m not proud of that, but when you –

 MR. CHANDLER: I mean, how do you — I mean, which of those two statements should I choose to believe, because they’re both entirely opposite each other?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –

 MR. CHANDLER: “I would die for that kid” or “I’m” –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: If I had –

 MR. CHANDLER: — “in a survival mode and I” –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I would do anything for Jordy. I would lose everything. I would die for Jordy. That’s the bottom line.

 MR. CHANDLER: Then why don’t you just back me up right now and let’s get rid of Michael Jackson.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because I don’t know the facts.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay. Well, when you know –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, I don’t –

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay. When you know the facts, when you see the facts come out, then you’ll make a decision at that point.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Right. That’s fair.

 MR. CHANDLER: Okay.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, that’s more than fair, but this — let me –

 MR. CHANDLER: It’s unfortunately gonna be too late, then, and nothing’s gonna matter at that point.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why?

 MR. CHANDLER: Because the fact is so fucking overwhelming –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah?

 MR. CHANDLER: — that everybody’s going to be destroyed in the process. The facts themselves are gonna — once this thing starts rolling –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — the facts themselves are gonna overwhelm. It’s gonna be bigger than all of us put together, and the whole thing’s just gonna crash down on everybody and destroy everybody in its sight. That’s [tape irregularity] humiliating, believe me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And is that good?

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. It’s great.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why?

 MR. CHANDLER: Great, because –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, is that how you’re –

 MR. CHANDLER: Because June and Jordy and Michael –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — have forced me to take it to the extreme –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — to get their attention. How pitiful, pitifuckingful they are to have done that. I’ve tried to get their attention –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — I’ve cried on the phone, I’ve talked on the phone –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — I have begged on the phone, and all I get back is, “Go fuck yourself” on the phone, and so now I’m still trying to get their attention until : tomorrow for their [tape irregularity], and I will know that even having gone this far they won’t talk to me, then I know that I’m absolutely right in doing what I’m doing because they have left me no other [tape irregularity]. I am not allowed to talk to [tape irregularity], and so since they’re sending me that message and telling me that –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — they leave me no choice. They will not let me say to them, “This is what’s bothering me, and this is what I’d like to do about it. What do you think?” They’re saying, “We don’t care what you have to think — say about [tape irregularity].”

MR. SCHWARTZ: You mean by no communication?

MR. CHANDLER: Am I supposed to just bury my head? No. Not when my kid’s involved.

MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

MR. CHANDLER: I can’t. So it’s their fault. Everything’s their fault, one hundred percent, and the reason it’s their fault [tape irregularity] try to communicate, and they have time after time frustrated my attempts to talk by telling me, “Go fuck yourself.” And when you do that to somebody, consistently, you drive them to do something [tape irregularity]. I’m not an evil person. I don’t want to do this.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: It’s their fault because they won’t talk. They have one more chance. I’ve told them this. That’s why I left that message. The message was very harsh [tape irregularity] and it was very true, and it was to let them know that I am not kidding around.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I’m begging them. That message was begging, one more time –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — to sit down and talk and saying basically, “I don’t want to hurt you, but you’re not leaving me any choice.”

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And, you know, if they choose to ignore it, for whatever their motives — June doesn’t ignore things for the same — she doesn’t bury her head in the sand and make believe it’s gonna go away.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: June usually will call you up and say, “Go fuck yourself and drop dead” –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and she’ll get violent and all that, maybe even punch you in the face.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, that’s not so bad.

 MR. CHANDLER: That’s right, and yet she’s not calling me –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — she’s not doing anything. She’s not talking either. So Michael’s not talking either. The three of them, completely different personalities –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — handle situations in three completely different ways, and yet none of the three of them is calling me.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: You can tell me that Jordy’s burying his head in the sand and that’s his reaction [tape irregularity]. What’s the other two excuses? I don’t know. They won’t even tell me what their excuse for not talking to me is. I don’t even — I can’t make an excuse for –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Michael, I can’t tell you. June, she doesn’t know what’s going on.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, of course she doesn’t know what’s going on. She wouldn’t let me tell her.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But she doesn’t going on — know what’s going on –

 MR. CHANDLER: I did tell her once.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I did tell her once what my thoughts were about it.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And she said, “Go fuck yourself,” basically.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Does this –

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) she said — I do remember ’cause I wrote it on a piece of paper.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: It shocked me so much coming from her mouth that I actually wrote it down, verbatim, in quotes.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: That this human being would say something like that about her own kid, and so now that I know that she feels that way about [tape irregularity] no reason why I should assume that she gives a shit about me, so –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, you know she cares about you.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, you know, that doesn’t matter anymore. June is nonexistent. If — I have no — I have nothing for her anymore. I will never talk to her again, ever. Never. She’s a horrible human being, and it’s all gonna come out, and I don’t even have to say that [tape irregularity]. I’ll let everybody make their own decision.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: June is a horrible, selfish human being. [tape irregularity], and now I find this out about how [tape irregularity] — it’s all over. And if they’re stupid enough not to talk to me tomorrow, well, they’re going to have –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I think they want to talk to you, and I want to talk to you.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then they should –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But when it comes with a threat, I mean, that’s what’s upsetting to me.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, that’s too bad.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, why?

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) supposed to do to get someone’s attention? I say, “I am begging you to talk to me.”

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: That doesn’t work. So then you cry hysterically on the phone, “I’m in so much pain because I’m losing” –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Who did you say that — who was that to?

 MR. CHANDLER: To June.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, and how long ago was that?

 MR. CHANDLER: Oh, three weeks, maybe.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And then you call up and you say, “I demand to talk to him.”

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: None of that works.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) get the same response. I mean, no emotion from the other side whatsoever.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Uh-huh.

 MR. CHANDLER: Nothing.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Except the coldest response you can possibly imagine, okay?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And maybe it’s because she’s insecure. I don’t care anymore –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I cared at the time. I mean, I was totally shocked that she would respond that way to me. I couldn’t believe it. Okay? So I know that I have tried in every way. I’ve appealed to her in every way I know how. I’ve appealed to her intelligence, I’ve appealed to her emotions, and so I’ve done every — I’ve gotten on the ground and I’ve groveled in front of her. I’ve gone so far as to tell her that her son is in danger.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: None of it made a difference, none of it, and so what else am I supposed to do to get their attention?

 MR. SCHWARTZ: I –

 MR. CHANDLER: If I didn’t care, Dave, I wouldn’t have left that message.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.

 MR. CHANDLER: I just would have gone and done whatever I wanted to do –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and they’d have gotten the shock of their life –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — that all of a sudden would have appeared out of nowhere, and then their whole lives would be forever different and forever bad.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I have nothing to gain by talking to them tomorrow. All that can happen tomorrow is that I’m gonna look at their faces and I’m gonna feel bad –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and I’m gonna mitigate my position. I’m gonna give in somewhat [tape irregularity] I just went ahead and did what I was gonna do, I don’t ever have to see them again –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — they’re automatically gonna be destroyed and I’m gonna get what I want. That’s a given [tape irregularity], so –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But, I mean, is that the way to get Jordy?

 MR. CHANDLER: — talk to them — I’m talking to them for their sake –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — mine. This is my fourth, fifth and last attempt to communicate.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: So when I leave a threatening message, I am threatening them –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — because nothing else works. Crying didn’t work. Begging didn’t work. Intelligence didn’t work.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Appealing to the motherly [tape irregularity] nothing worked. So what else is left? You threaten. If that doesn’t work, you’ve basically tried everything there is that you could possibly try.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I didn’t threaten him physically. I didn’t say I was going to kill them. Michael can show up with all his bodyguards with guns and surround me if he wants to.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I’m not killing anybody tomorrow. It’s not the next step. His death is not the next (inaudible), so I mean I will talk to them tomorrow, but that’s for their — they can’t possibly feel threatened.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: That’s bullshit. I didn’t threaten them physically in any way, and certainly Michael’s got enough [tape irregularity] lawyers (inaudible). He has Burt Fields, who’s a big hotshot, if he wants to, sit right there. I don’t give a shit.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Whatever, you know, is going to make them protected from my great threat. I’m showing up all by my little self, and they can show up with an entire army if they need to protect themselves from me, but there’s nothing that they can do to convince me that they’re not showing up because they’re afraid for their lives.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: They could show up [tape irregularity] surrounded by bodyguards. He could certainly have them come over to June’s house, so [tape irregularity] threat was obviously the last (inaudible). I’ve never punched anybody. I’ve never shot anybody. I’ve never done anything violent in my life. There’s no reason why they should feel physically threatened. Never ever given them any indication that I [tape irregularity] Jordy, so, you know, they know that that threat’s [tape irregularity] to be fearful of that. They know that that [tape irregularity] and they know that I left it because there’s no other way to get ahold of them.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s fair.

 MR. CHANDLER: I mean, I think it’s fair.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Let me ask you this question. I mean, I definitely want to be there.

 MR. CHANDLER: That’s fine.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Can we do it at night?

 MR. CHANDLER: No. Has to be –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why not? Why does it have to be in the morning?

 MR. CHANDLER: Because it’s too late at night.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: It doesn’t have to be late –

 MR. CHANDLER: I have to have the regular business hours. I need as many business hours –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — if it doesn’t go my way to get the wheels going.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But what time are you ready to — what time are you through work tomorrow –

 MR. CHANDLER: The wheels roll at : if they’re not there.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but can you do that for me, make it later?

 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, inaudible) do it. I can’t. You don’t have to be there.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But I want to –

 MR. CHANDLER: — tape record it. You can hear it all.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: But I want to be there.

 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then you have to be there at :. It’s already set.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: There are other people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are intentionally going to be in certain positions –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — [tape irregularity].

 I paid them to do it. They’re doing their job. I gotta just go ahead and follow through on the time zone.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Um-hmm.

 MR. CHANDLER: I mean the time set out. Everything is going according to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. There’s other people involved –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: How about : ?

 MR. CHANDLER: Nope. : is not even going to work. I mean, they’re going to have — they’re going to have to be there or not be there. It’s up to them what happens now. I mean, it’s not going to be [tape irregularity] whether they’re there or not.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: But if they are there, it’s going to be far better than if they’re not — I mean, they’re going to have a chance to make things a lot better if they’re there. My instructions were to kill and destroy [tape irregularity], I’m telling you.  mean, and by killing and destroying, I’m going to torture them, Dave.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Because that’s what June has done to me. She has tortured me –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — and she’s gonna know that you can’t [tape irregularity]. I’ll tell you one thing that Jordy has no idea about, and that’s what love means. He doesn’t even have the remotest idea. He can’t learn it from June. She doesn’t know what it means. She has no conception of what it means.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: So maybe, you know, I can get (inaudible) teach him that. I don’t know.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah [tape irregularity].

 MR. CHANDLER: Part of it [tape irregularity] other people and communicating, and those are three things that must be in place in order for a loving relationship to exist, because all of those things show that you care about that other person. Not one thing [tape irregularity].

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but it was there.

 MR. CHANDLER: No, I don’t think it ever was, now that I –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — look at her behavior, I’m just saying that June is a brilliant and pathologic personality.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: What you see on the surface ain’t even remotely related to what’s really going on underneath.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: And I believe that that will come out in lie detector [tape irregularity] psychological evaluations –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: — which they’re all gonna have to do.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: So –

 MR. SCHWARTZ: And you think that’s good for Jordy?

 MR. CHANDLER: I think that in the long run would — of course it’s not the best thing for Jordy.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: The best thing for Jordy would be for everybody to sit there and peaceably resolve amongst themselves [tape irregularity], but because they’re not willing to do that, I’m not allowed to have a say in what the best [tape irregularity]. I’m not even allowed to [tape irregularity] Jordy is. I’m not allowed to have a say in anything about Jordy. So when you ask me that question [tape irregularity] I would welcome them to do that, but they don’t care. They don’t care about what I think, so they don’t ask me that question. Do I think — I mean, just to answer your question, I think that [tape irregularity] for Jordy either way in the short [tape irregularity], in the short term.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: I think in the long term he’s got a [tape irregularity] a chance of being a happy human being if I do what I have to do than if I let things go the way they are. Could a compromise be worked out? Possibly.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. Let them convince me as to why [tape irregularity] tell me I’m wrong. Let them show me how Jordy’s benefitting and not being harmed. They got their chance.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: If they don’t want it, they haven’t wanted to take it before.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: They’ve had four or five times that I’ve called them [tape irregularity] haven’t wanted to get in a conversation with me about it, and I believe they don’t want to get in a conversation with me about it is because they know they can’t defend their position.

 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.

 MR. CHANDLER: [tape irregularity] to cut — I mean, I’m young, I’m really liberal. As far as I’m concerned, anybody could do anything they want. That’s my philosophy. You guys can do whatever you want. Just be happy. Don’t get hurt. So . . .

 (End of Tape , Side B.)

What may have been compelling about our entreaty is that we provided proof that Bashir is an especially bad actor on the stage of rapidly deteriorating journalism in America. HMI’s letter packet contained comments from YouTube videos featuring Bashir, and from randomly selected blog articles about him, including his profile at ABC News. Thousands of comments were provided, virtually all of them negative. Bashir is pretty much universally despised.

To provide further food for thought, we included Matt Semino’s poignant essay…

http://tinyurl.com/semino

…and a rant by Jeff Koopersmith…

http://tinyurl.com/koopersmith

By July 2010, Bashir was gone from ABC News, only to resurface a few months later at MSNBC where, it was reported, he is to occupy the 3:00 pm (Eastern) time slot.

The typical length of an employment contract at an on-air news source is four years. Bashir’s tenure at ABC News was November 28, 2005–August 6, 2010. We don’t know if the evidence we provided contributed to his departure, but going from a prime time network news program to a mid-afternoon cable news spot is definitely a demotion.

In mid-December 2010, HMI again sent the letter packet to 29 carefully vetted executives at Comcast, NBC Universal and MSNBC. As of the end of January, at least one media gossip blog is wondering where he is.

http://tinyurl.com/martinbashir

Thomas Roberts was recently given a full time position at MSNBC. He currently appears in the 3:00 pm time slot.

http://tinyurl.com/thomasroberts

If MSNBC wants to do the right thing, they’ll leave Roberts in the 3:00 spot and kick Bashir to the curb. However, Keith Olbermann abruptly left MSNBC on Friday, January 21, thereby leaving a hole in MSNBC’s line-up. We hope we’ve given MSNBC sufficient pause about Bashir and that he’s not waiting in the wings, possibly to take Olbermann’s place.

http://tinyurl.com/kolbermann

We feel it’s critical to let MSNBC know that (a) Thomas Roberts is doing a fine job in the 3:00 spot and (b) Bashir is an unpopular and detrimental hire for MSNBC. We’re especially concerned that, if given a berth at MSNBC, Bashir will disingenuously comment on the Conrad Murray trial.

We urgently request that you make your views known at the following contact emails. You can, of course, post the same comment at all three contacts.
letters@MSNBC.com

viewerservices@MSNBC.com

GeneralComments@feedback.msnbc.com

Commenting matters. Internet “buzz” is–or should be–important to television programmers. For example, if the programmer for the Discovery Channel had had his ear to the ground more astutely, she would have known that the Michael Jackson autopsy program would land them in hot water.

Nielsen BuzzMetrics Tries to Measure Buzz in Social Media
http://tinyurl.com/nielsenbuzz

As they say in Chicago politics, vote often. Don’t forget the cardinal rules of effective blog commentary:

• No Michael Jackson avatars
• Use a gender neutral screen name, not a Michael Jackson fan screen name
• Remain respectful at all times and use spell check
• Avoid writing love letters about Michael

Thanks for all you do to protect Michael Jackson’s personal legacy.

This is America, a nation of laws. The facts don’t change and the prosecution’s trial strategy doesn’t revolve around the esteem in which the victim is held. Nor should it! Multi-millions of Michael Jackson fans would stretch, arms locked, around the world. That would not–should not–impact the course of action of the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office one little bit. Why? Because we are a nation of laws, not mob rule.

In the case of Conrad Murray, it appears that millions of fans, most of whom have never even seen the inside of a courtroom, are somehow now experts in bringing criminals to justice. They speculate, assume and presuppose that because the victim is Michael Jackson, and if he’s dead, then someone murdered him and someone must pay. Without really being privy to the evidence that the District Attorney’s office assembled over nine long months–during which time they were loudly criticized for taking so long–the fans believe they can do a better job than a District Attorney’s office with an 87% conviction rate. Without truly understanding the legal distinctions between first, second and third degree murder, voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, or medical malpractice for that matter, they treat all charges the same. Michael Jackson is dead, so someone must have murdered him.

So what do the fans do? They dress up like Michael Jackson and show up at the courthouse with posters festooned with various images of Michael. Playing right into the media’s hand, they’re quickly perceived and presented by the media as “crazy Michael Jackson fans” and no one’s collective mind is changed–either about how Michael actually died or why the fans are even there. No one takes them seriously because all observers hear is cries of “Justice for MJ!”–whatever that means–accompanied by a mob mentality. The fans are people to be tolerated; just part of the landscape of craziness that routinely surrounded Michael when he lived and is no different now.

May Justice Prevail

What if the fans showed up in street clothes, with posters bearing one image of Michael over the entreaty “May Justice Prevail”–without presupposing what that justice should be?

Michael Jackson deserves to be represented by mature, composed, intelligent, articulate and determined fans.

• Mature because they look like people who left their jobs in the city to stand vigil.
• Composed because they don’t behave like fans at a Michael Jackson concert, moonwalking and hamming it up for the media’s cameras.
• Intelligent because they have formed a sober, well-imaged message–about themselves and about Michael.
• Articulate because they spell every word of that message correctly.
• Determined because they want the world to understand that Michael Jackson mattered. That his absence remains a large wound on the collective consciousness of society.

It’s a strategic error to publicly dare the prosecutors to behave a certain way because “the eyes of the world are upon you.” The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office is not the enemy! And make no mistake: the eyes of the world are on the media-manipulated crazy Michael Jackson fans. Please, for Michael’s sake, don’t be one.

We must be mindful of media’s real power to manipulate images and literally shape public opinion about fan activity.

The success of a website is dependent on traffic to the website. A content based website such as TMZ often gets a lot of traffic (12 million visitors per month, each visitor generating multiple page views) due to incoming links and higher visibility to search engines. It relies mainly on ad publishing for its revenue stream. With advertising rates so low these days, only a very high volume website (more than 1 million page views per month) can make substantial money.

Traffic can be related to ad publishing revenue for content-based websites because higher page views generate more ad revenue.

How Revenue Depends on Traffic

Let’s consider the income potential for a content based website such as TMZ. A web page on average can show two banners (one on top and one skybanner on the side). The average CPM (cost per thousand) rates are around $0.50. This translates to a CPC (cost per click) rate of $0.10 per click with a 0.5% CTR (click through rate).

The website can also show one pop under ad per visitor at $3.00 CPM. The revenue that can be generated is below (assuming an average 5 page views per visitor).

Monthly Page Views      2 Banners @ $0.50 CPM      Pop Under @ $3.00 CPM

25,000                                    $ 25/month                              $ 15/month
100,000                                $ 100/month                            $ 60/month
1,000,000                           $ 1,000/month                        $ 600/month
30,000,000                       $ 30,000/month                   $ 18,000/month

For high traffic websites and for niche markets, the owner can negotiate a higher CPM rate. On top of that, these websites can promote one line ads directly from the advertiser for a fixed amount per month. Usually that rate is around $500 per month per text ad for approximately 30 million page impressions per month or 0.0167 CPM.

In the case of TMZ, Harvey Levin and his band of punks know that anything with Michael’s name in the headline will generate clicks. The story doesn’t even have to be true! Therefore, outrageous claims, salacious headlines, sick and twisted stories–doesn’t matter–they all generate clicks for TMZ and put money in Harvey Levin’s pocket.

For more insight into TMZ’s disreputable practices, click here.

The next time you’re tempted to click on TMZ and put money in Harvey Levin’s pocket, please remind yourself that this is what you’re supporting. Here’s the latest TMZ smear of Michael Jackson’s personal legacy.

http://tinyurl.com/tmzsmear

Here’s Charles Thomson’s rebuttal.

http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/66107.aspx

Please, for Michael’s sake, don’t click on TMZ.

National Conference for Media Reform
Boston, MA
April 8-10, 2011
Event details: http://ncmr11.eventbrite.com

If you’re willing and able to attend this event, please email us at MJ Truth Now
Thank you.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BS3VZ20101231

To say we’re filled with joy and relief by this development is putting it mildly. It’s because you cared and wrote and called and otherwise made your voice heard that the Discovery Channel changed its corporate mind.

Discovery put their viewers’ sensibilities before corporate profits and they are to be commended.

Please send a note of thanks for their wise decision to at least one executive at Discovery Communications.

John Hendricks
Founder and Chairman
john_hendricks@discovery.com

David Zaslav
President and CEO
david_zaslav@discovery.com

Peter Liguori
Chief Operating Officer
peter_liguori@discovery.com

They’re all located at:

Discovery Communications
One Discovery Place
Silver Spring, MD 20910

We’re grateful to the Executors of The Estate of Michael Jackson for their forceful and principled letter sent to the president of Discovery Communications. If you would like to thank them as well, a note can be faxed to 310-553-7068.

We hope you’ll take the time to acknowledge when someone changes his or her mind and does the right thing. After all, this is what vindication for Michael Jackson is all about–people changing their minds.

Happy New Year!

http://tinyurl.com/24xso2j
The Discovery Channel website hosts a discussion forum where a thread has been started to discuss this issue. Discovery’s own forum is likely the dominant forum viewed by Discovery decision makers. They’re probably also checking The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today, Huffington Post, etc. Of course, we encourage you to submit your opinion to as many blogs as you have time, but please make a special effort to register and post at the Discovery Channel’s own forum.

The page to register is http://community.yourdiscovery.com/eve
The specific thread to discuss this issue is http://tinyurl.com/22urf3x
Tips for posting:

• Don’t use Michael Jackson fan monikers or avatars.
• Don’t make this issue exclusively about Michael Jackson. It’s about respect for all deceased persons–famous or not.
• Use respectful language.
• Proofread your comment and use spell check.

We have two more weeks to work on persuading Discovery to reconsider this decision. Please write as many letters as you can and encourage your friends and family to do likewise. Here are the most important executives to approach.

John Hendricks
Founder and Chairman
john_hendricks@discovery.com

David Zaslav
President and CEO
david_zaslav@discovery.com

Peter Liguori
Chief Operating Officer
peter_liguori@discovery.com

They’re all located at:

Discovery Communications
One Discovery Place
Silver Spring, MD 20910

As always, thanks for your tireless efforts. We’ll keep you posted as matters progress.

It’s not easy being in the business of vindication. When we fight for what is right, we’re constantly exposed to harsh and unpleasant realities. How much easier it would be to simply sit back and take nothing but pleasure in the glorious musical legacy that Michael Jackson left behind. Life would be sweet, as we wouldn’t have to deal with distressing news or feel compelled to do anything about it.

The trouble is, we can’t take pure pleasure in a legacy that has been unfairly tarnished, and we do feel constantly compelled to do something about it–not just for Michael’s sake, but for our own.

We of The 500 believe that if we raise our voices as one, we can get things done.

The collective power of many voices was demonstrated by Gardner Street School’s recent decision to uncover Michael Jackson’s name from the auditorium named for him. Plywood covered that name for seven years and was a powerful symbol of public dishonor (view on Facebook).  Yet school officials were moved by many reasonable, determined voices to do the right thing, and now the unveiling provides another powerful symbol–this time of justice prevailing.

The 500 will not stop there. Small victories can lead to big ones, motivating us to continue our fight to shine the light of truth on all aspects of Michael Jackson’s final public record.

WHO WE ARE

The 500 acts to vindicate Michael Jackson in the press by commenting on negative articles and programs, and at times through phone calls, email, and regular mail.

A managing team informs The 500 members about a Jackson-related press item or program that warrants a strong response, so they can rebut misinformation with facts, castigate judgmental or biased articles, and support positive narratives. The 500 may also attack the credibility of particular journalists, such as Diane Dimond, Maureen Orth and Martin Bashir.

The 500 doesn’t have a website or Facebook. It’s not an organization that advertises itself. In reality, The 500 is simply a communication and coordination tool, bringing together anonymous individuals who write well and would like to do something about the way the media has portrayed and continues to portray Michael Jackson. The 500 is made more effective by not appearing to be a coalition of any kind, instead striving to convey that widespread disgust with media bias against Michael Jackson comes not just from avid fans, but from the realm of ordinary, unconnected and objective citizens as well.

OUR GOALS

The 500′s overarching goal is to influence and improve public perception of Michael Jackson that was maliciously warped by 20 years of irresponsible, reprehensible and inhumane media coverage. We aim to do no less than utterly change the media-driven narrative about him. This is already happening, and must continue.

Our focus is on mainstream media rather than tabloids or the murkier depths of the Internet blogosphere. These outlets are largely shunned by thinking people–the very audience we want to engage. We aim to change those hearts and minds that are open to the truth. We believe we’re unlikely to win over confirmed haters. We won’t exhaust our membership by engaging with questionable sources that lack credibility and broad audience appeal. In fact, responding randomly and without focus can bring undeserved attention and validation to nonsensical, hateful, or deliberately provocative reports and opinion pieces.

We will, however, take issue when supposedly responsible elements of mainstream media use tabloid sources and tactics to target, vilify and destroy lives. This phenomenon reached its zenith in coverage of Michael Jackson for the past 20 years.

Our team carefully weighs many factors when choosing how and when to act, including circulation and influence of the media outlet, extent of a report’s potential damage to Michael Jackson’s image, and how a story might affect his children.

The primary focus for The 500 is to disconnect Michael Jackson’s name from child molestation in the public mind.  This association represents the single most serious threat to his legacy, and we will work vigorously to counter the travesty that spawned it. We will also address other persistent and malignant themes, such as: (1) he was a drug addict at the end of his life; (2) he was ashamed to be black, so he “bleached” his skin and had surgery on his nose; and (3) he was an emotionally damaged weirdo/megalomaniac–perhaps barely human, etc.

HOW WE WILL ACHIEVE OUR GOALS

In order to achieve ultimate vindication for Michael Jackson, as members of The 500 we must hold high standards for the manner in which we address detractors. We won’t attack or dehumanize others with violent speech. We will use respectful, factual, persuasive and thoughtfully constructed arguments to win over media consumers who may be uncertain what to believe, and who might therefore be persuaded to take another look. This doesn’t mean we lack clarity about what is right. Where we cannot persuade or win over, we will be unafraid to use strong but measured language to condemn the perpetuation of injustice whenever we see it.

We expect to lobby hard and be persistent, if necessary over an extended period of time, to fully reclaim Michael Jackson’s rightful standing as an exceedingly rare human being who combined creative genius and brilliant performance with a humanitarian message of love and inclusiveness for all people. If The 500 does its job well, it will be clear to everyone everywhere why he remains beloved the world over.

JOIN US!

If you think The 500 would be a meaningful way to help vindicate Michael Jackson, please contact us at rivers.bend09@gmail.com. Thank you.

Various aspects of vindication of Michael Jackson in mainstream media are also beginning to solidify.  This issue of the MJTruthNow Newsletter will provide Newsletter subscribers with The Vision for Vindication of Michael Jackson in mainstream media.

The Board of Directors, if you will, of The Vision is comprised of eleven Michael Jackson Advocates.  It matters less who they are but what they are:  dynamic, resourceful, vibrant, eloquent, compassionate, hard-working and dedicated to Michael Jackson’s personal legacy.  Each brings a special talent, insight or connection to one or more of the following categories.

MJTruthNow.com – A lot of work still needs to be done on the website so that it’s the definitive stop for people looking for information about Michael’s legal issues.  As we said from the inception of MJTruthNow, it’s not a tribute site–there are hundreds of those on the Internet–nor is it a go-to site for conspiracy theories or other “justice” issues.  We believe that the labeling of Michael as a pedophile still presents the most challenging threat to his personal legacy and the most abominable injury he suffered.  Once the allegations are effectively dealt with among the media brainwashed masses, every other positive thing that Michael inspired and championed can more authentically grow and thrive and be a benefit to society.

At this time, we need a web developer experienced in Word Press.  If you’re a talented web designer or know someone who is, please write to contact@mjtruthnow.com.  At this time, we can’t pay for these services.

MJTruthNow Newsletter — Much of the progress we envision for the goals discussed in this Newsletter will be reported via this Newsletter. Current subscribers number about 4,000 but we need 40,000+.  We plan to send this Newsletter out at least once per month wherein we’ll highlight one or more of the categories in which progress has been made since the previous Newsletter.

We ask each of you to help us reach our goals by inviting other Michael Jackson supporters to sign up for this Newsletter.

The 500 — This advocacy group is likely to be one of, if not the most influential aspect of The Vision by replacing the current false negative meme with an overwhelmingly factual positive meme.  Currently about 100 writers are enrolled in The 500.  Only 400 more to go, at which time we’ll raise the bar to 5,000.  We have recruited for The 500 through this Newsletter and will continue to do so.  Ideas for how to more effectively recruit are needed.  Please contact rivers.bend09@gmail to apply for inclusion in The 500 or to submit an idea for recruiting.  Also, if you know a Michael Jackson supporter with strong and persuasive writing skills, please ask him/her to contact rivers.bend09@gmail.com.

The 500 Rebuttal Library — Much of the proof needed to effectively and unemotionally rebut the allegations is found on the MJTruthNow site, but it’s not stored in a way that’s immediately useful to a writer when the clarion call goes out to The 500.  The Rebuttal Library also contains sample rebuttals we hope will inspire our writers as they compose their own rebuttals.  If you have a link you believe is factual, above reproach, verifiable and directly addresses a challenge to Michael’s reputation, please contact mjlinks@ymail.com and tell us why you think it should be included in the Rebuttal Library.

Humane Media Initiative — HMI  is somewhat bogged down at the moment because the logo has not yet been finalized.  We have a tagline–”Facts, not frenzy”–but the creation of a non-profit organization, which costs quite a bit of money, remains on the back burner until other categories within The Vision gain strength.  When the HMI logo is finalized, a letter packet to carefully selected executives of NBC/MSNBC, where Martin Bashir is currently employed, will be sent under the auspices of HMI.

Another task on HMI’s agenda is reaching out to journalists who still care about good journalism and newsworthy people who should care about good journalism as it directly impacts their lives.  We also need a website for HMI.  Please offer your services or direct inquiries to bluejewel100@yahoo.com.  At this time, we can’t pay for website development or services other than hosting.

The  Documentary – We’re all passionately committed to a high quality, professionally produced documentary by an experienced documentary maker about Michael’s medialoid challenges that will be worthy of Academy Award consideration.  If anyone knows a documentary maker personally or you’ve seen a documentary that impressed you with its impact, please send full documentary maker contact information to bluejewel100@yahoo.com.   Under the auspices of Humane Media Initiative, we’ll write to each prospective documentary maker.  We’ll also need a website for HMI that features a mechanism for tracking fundraising for completion of a documentary.  Part of our due diligence will be to determine how much money is needed.

Michael Jackson’s Law (anti-defamation of the deceased) — Frankly, this is a law that may not actually ever pass.  It’s fraught with formidable First Amendment obstacles.  The mighty media  machine, with endless lobbying power and funding, is guaranteed to strongly oppose such a law.  Even under the best of circumstances, it’ll take a long time and a lot of hard work to pass Michael Jackson’s Law.

Nevertheless, two core members of MJTruthNow already have a good head start on research in this category.  They will continue to pour over articles and law journals looking for a breakthrough in legal precedent.   Retroactivity of such a law is the first hurdle we must overcome.  We need money to pay First Amendment lawyers to comprehensively research this issue.  As soon as the HMI logo is finalized and letterhead is printed, we’ll reach out to newsworthy people in a professional manner for support.  In the meantime, please submit inquiries and ideas to tandkkam@aol.com.

As one or both of these categories–Documentary and Michael Jackson’s Law–gains traction, HMI will begin the process of becoming a non-profit organization, as this is required to move forward in these categories.

YouTube Takedowns — This particularly nasty bit of Michael Jackson advocacy requires effort similar to the Gardner Street campaign.  Please submit your inquiries, offensive YouTube videos and ideas to bluejewel100@yahoo.com.

Fan Club Outreach and Coalescing Effort — Other than the unassailable vindication of Michael Jackson in mainstream media, coalescing Michael’s fan groups remains the biggest challenge to The Vision.  If anyone on this Newsletter subscriber list is friendly with leaders of other groups, we welcome your feedback as to how we can effectively join forces.  Please contact mjtruthnow1@gmail.com.

Research — Among Michael Jackson Advocates are probably hundreds of tireless researchers and they know others who are skilled in this category.  Please direct inquiries to cost30027@mypacks.net.

We flail around and lash out to blame someone – anyone – we think made it happen, let it happen, could have but didn’t stop it from happening, cannot or won’t make it better.  Never mind the fact of life that we can’t always have what we want right now – or at all.

Death is the worst deprivation because it can’t be reversed.  The global grief attendant to Michael Jackson’s death is singular in that it quickly enveloped many generations, including those who discovered him posthumously, those who hadn’t thought of him in years, as well as longtime admirers.

Here’s a touching comment posted on The New York Times blog days after Michael’s death:

“I am an improbable mourner.  I don’t own any Michael Jackson music, haven’t been aware of his activities, and didn’t form any conclusions during or after the days of his trial.  I am white, middle aged and living in the Midwest, definitely not “cool.”  The day Michael Jackson died I was reading online and one comment listed someone’s favorite Jackson songs and video.  I clicked and watched each one, then linked and searched and linked some more, again and again.  At some point in that process my heart broke at the sense of loss, and the level of grief I felt left me without words.  I tried to explain it to a friend and simply couldn’t.  I can only imagine what Michael’s family and close friends are experiencing.  If I could I would send my deepest condolences and love to them from here in Indiana where it all started.”

Clearly, this is a kind person amazed by a depth of feeling which defies the logic of her life.  Her post prompted my search for others to talk to.  I have always felt happy and content with Michael Jackson in my life.  At Michael’s 2001 Madison Square Garden concert, I felt great joy but also discomfort that something menacing was at work to take him away.  I don’t mean conspiracy as that word is defined.  Maybe something more Greek and inevitable.

I always wondered why many women routinely wept in his presence, aside from their loving the dazzling creature to bits.  Michael wrote that when you grasp the beloved thing too tightly, it’s bound to slip away like a bar of soap in wet hands.  Well, that’s certainly true.

Calling The 500

We’re looking for 500 people who can write–factually and intelligently when requested–with an eye to the pragmatic aspects of reclaiming Michael Jackson’s positive public image.

What if 500 people or more were to be made aware of misinformed, biased, or otherwise negative mainstream press about MJ–the kind that potentially influences much of Joe Public?  What if these 500 could muster facts and cool persuasion to respectfully respond to MJ-bashing press when it opens its maw?  What if 500 could refute the notion that anyone standing up for Michael Jackson is just another crazed fan?  How about if we are instead concerned and intelligent readers who’ve had enough of the cesspool of judgment and persecution–the trampling of ethics in pursuit of dirty dollars–that characterized the media during MJ’s trial, and continues unabated today?

We at MJTruthNow think it’s possible that if 500 people or more were willing and able to write the occasional letter, post the comment or make the call, they could actually function as a check on the kind of irresponsible journalism that unjustly ruins lives. They might even provide a protective function for Michael Jackson’s children.  We’d like to gather a group that takes over the megaphone in the public sphere on Michael Jackson’s behalf.  As a bloc, we’ll respond when we’re made aware of the trash story, the baloney story, the malicious story that’s being fed to a gullible public.  We intend to call the media on its irresponsible reporting when feasible and where impactful.  No longer will silence imply agreement with misleading and lazy reporting on the part of mainstream media and medialoid.

We need good writers who can stay on message and write persuasively.  We do have a fairly strong idea about what kind of writers will be most effective, but don’t intend to micro-manage anyone’s comments apart from offering guidelines.

If you think The 500 is for you, please contact us at rivers.bend09@gmail.com so we can add you to the newly formed Yahoo Group for The 500.  From there, once we’ve built a little critical mass, we will get to work by issuing a set of guidelines and resources to our writing membership, to be followed by occasional brief messages about where to direct your comments.

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David Pack stands and toasts with Michael Jackson, Leonard Bernstein, Quincy Jones, and others

 
During that special evening, I felt the need to share my faith with him, to let him know that another Christian artist was sitting next to him. So when he whispered, “How can I ever thank you for this wonderful night?” I said, “Michael, I didn’t put this together, God did!” He said, “Oh yes, I believe that with all of my heart.”

I told him I was a Christian, and he said he was, too. We talked about the first Christian song we’d both heard as children: “Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to him belong, they are weak but he is strong.” With the dinner party loudly going on around us, we both quietly leaned in and sang the song, smiling like choirboys. “Yes, Jesus loves me. Yes, Jesus loves me.” Then we gave each other a short embrace.

I knew at that moment that this sweet-spirited young genius was going to find his eternal peace in heaven. I did not find Michael weird, messed up, or anything you’ve ever heard about him. I want to say that I feel all of the allegations ever charged against Michael were false, and that in my discernment, he did not have the capacity to ever do anything except love children and let them know he would do anything to stand up for them, and help them. Just look at the magnificent work he did on their behalf in writing and co-producing “We Are The World,” and the 39 charities for children he gave to generously. That was Michael. I believe that during his trials he related to the suffering of Christ, and prayed for intervention, because he was being accused over what he loved most—children. This caused him perhaps more pain than anything in his life.

I know Michael loved Jesus with all his heart. Quincy had told me about his work sharing his faith with others, often door-to-door, because he’d been raised a devout Jehovah’s Witness. Later in life he told people he was a non-denominational Christian. Still more recently, reports circulated that he’d converted to Islam. But the Michael I knew had seriously contemplated giving up music to spend full-time in Christian ministry.

If there’s anything that gives me peace during this moment of loss, it’s knowing that one of the greatest artists of our time is now moon-walking along the gold paved roads of heaven, where streets have no name, with a broad smile on his face, and a band of angels welcoming him home.

Michael, my friend, rest in heavenly peace.
 

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Rodney “Darkchild” Jenkins

In 1985, shortly after recording “The Girl Is Mine” with Paul McCartney, ATV Music Publishing (who had owned The Beatles Northern Songs publishing company since 1968) went up for sale. Michael Jackson paid a reported $47.5 million for the catalogue.

Over the years, Michael went on to purchase numerous companies, some owning rights to songs made famous by Elvis Presley and Little Richard.

In 1995, Jackson merged ATV with Sony. Read more.

In 2007, Michael purchased Famous Music, owner of hits by Eminem, Bjork and Shakira, as well as classics like Moon River, adding additional catalogues to Sony/ATV Music Publishing.

Today, Sony/ATV Music Publishing is co-owned by The Michael Jackson Family Trust and Sony. The value of Sony/ATV Music Publishing has varied in reports. Industry experts have estimated the company to be worth as much as $1.5 billion.

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Long time friend and collaborator, Kenny Ortega worked with Michael Jackson to create and design many productions, including Michael’s Dangerous World Tour, the HIStory World Tour, and This Is It.

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“Jam” & Joe Jackson Day

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Road Trip & “Black or White”

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Big Surprise, “Remember The Time” & Vacation

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Michael On Vacation

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Michael With His Children

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Eventually named the biggest selling single of all time, as of 2009, it sold more than 20 million units and raised over $63 million for humanitarian aid in Africa and the United States. “We Are the World” demonstrated that diverse musicians could productively work together and further influenced the movement within popular music to create songs that address humane concerns.

Learn more.
 

Eventually named the biggest selling single of all time, as of 2009, it sold more than 20 million units and raised over $63 million for humanitarian aid in Africa and the United States. “We Are the World” demonstrated that diverse musicians could productively work together and further influenced the movement within popular music to create songs that address humane concerns.

Learn more.
 

“I had witnesses who were going to come in and say he [Jordan Chandler] told them it never happened and that he would never talk to his parents again for what they made him say, AND it turned out he had gone to court and got legal emancipation from his parents. His mother testified that she hadn’t talked to him for 11 years. So, you know, there was a problem there as well.” ~Tom Mesereau

Struggle with Vitiligo

Read more about “Big Media” out of control:

The Media Ruined My Life—A Rape Victim Speaks of Her Ordeal

Michael Jackson, Media Greed and the Demise of Democracy

How I Viewed Michael Jackson Through the Media

Death by Journalism

Vitiligo, Lupus and Michael Jackson

Information on Vitiligo: Michael Jackson

Vitiligo and Lupus Photos: Michael Jackson

Cure4Lupus.org

Mayo Clinic

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Barbara Walters Interviews Tom Mesereau

He was broken by the accusations and never recovered.

These paintings are a way of seeing
how Michael would like to have seen himself.”
 
~David Nordahl
 

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Nordahl Speaks about His Friend, Michael Jackson

~Michael Jackson

First, it’s necessary to define a new term.  Medialoid (mainstream media infected by tabloid journalism) publishes content that is more suitable for tabloid publications.

Proposed
Michael Jackson’s Law

Part 1 — Many occupations require licensing; for example, doctors, lawyers, architects, and accountants must be licensed in all 50 states. To qualify, one must graduate from an accredited university and pass a rigorous board examination. A license doesn’t guarantee a doctor, lawyer, architect, or accountant will be competent. However, licensing prevents a plumber from operating on a person, a homemaker from arguing in court, a dog groomer from designing a building, or a student from maintaining the books of a corporation.

Is it no less important that those entrusted with reporting world events be licensed? Reporters should not be allowed to call themselves journalists unless they graduate from an accredited university with a degree in journalism (including at least one course in journalism ethics and one course in communications and media law) and pass a rigorous board examination.

Media play a huge role in our lives. Television, radio, the Internet, movies, books, and newspapers inform and influence our ideas, opinions, values, and beliefs. They shape our understanding of the world and give us the information we need to hold our leaders accountable.  They help us separate fact from opinion.

If formal journalism training and licensing had been required of Diane Dimond and Nancy Grace, neither would have been hired by any news organization. If either had been hired without credentials, the news company that hired them may have been fined for hiring unlicensed persons. Clearly, if Dimond and Grace had not been perceived as journalists, their works of fiction may not have confused the public.

The Society of Professional Journalists believes that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of a journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and balanced account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist’s credibility.

Code of Ethics for Journalists

Part 2 — Defaming the dead shall be prohibited. A deceased person’s heirs can sue for libel and slander as aggressively as the person who was defamed when he or she was alive.

Part 3 — A journalist shall lose his or her license for failing to adhere to principles of journalistic ethics and integrity.

Part 4 — News agencies, journalists, and all media shall use public disclaimers to alert and educate readers and viewers regarding content. For example, the Food and Drug Administration protects against harmful claims that are misleading to the public. The following disclaimer must be included on products that purport to be effective but do not have FDA approval:

These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not meant to diagnose, treat or cure any disease or medical condition.

Following is a proposed disclaimer that shall accompany all medialoid content:

The views expressed herein may not have been fact-checked or verified according to principles of journalistic ethics and integrity. In addition, rumor, barely credible sources, an appeal to emotion and the use of checkbook journalism may be a part of this story or program.  This story or program is for entertainment purposes only and was not reviewed by a licensed journalist.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) protects against deceptive advertising that is misleading to the public.  In like manner, a governing body shall be formed to uphold standards of ethics and integrity in journalism, oversee licensing for journalists, and protect against media practices that are harmful or mislead the public.

It will take a long time and much effort to pass this proposed legislation. We need your support. Please join us by subscribing to our newsletter.

Tort Law and Journalistic Ethics: Too Late For Michael Jackson—by Richard T. Karcher

Professionalization: Fusion of Media Freedom and Responsibility—Why Michael Jackson’s Law Must be Passed—by John C. Merrill

Michael Jackson: Live in Concert
Crowds “Jam” in Bucharest

The day was October 1, 1992. The place was the Bucharest National Stadium in Romania. In this stop on the first leg of Michael Jackson’s Dangerous World Tour, we glimpse the sheer joy, and yes, hysteria, of a sold-out crowd of 70,000 as Michael sings “Jam”, a song about universal brotherhood.

What is it that illicits such intense emotions? After all, not many in this audience spoke English. Scientists tell us that emotions in music touch a universal chord. Read more.

Lyrics:

I Have To Find My Peace Cuz
No One Seems To Let Me Be
False Prophets Cry Of Doom
What Are The Possibilities
I Told My Brother
There’ll Be Problems,
Times And Tears For Fears,
We Must Live Each Day
Like It’s The Last

Go With It
Go With It
Jam
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t Too Much
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To

The World Keeps Changing
Rearranging Minds
And Thoughts
Predictions Fly Of Doom
The Baby Boom
Has Come Of Age
We’ll Work It Out

I Told My Brothers
Don’t You Ask Me
For No Favors
I’m Conditioned By
The System
Don’t You Talk To Me
Don’t Scream And Shout

She Pray To God, To Buddha
Then She Sings A
Talmud Song
Confusions Contradict
The Self
Do We Know Right
From Wrong
I Just Want You To
Recognize Me
In The Temple
You Can’t Hurt Me
I Found Peace
Within Myself

Go With It
Go With It
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t Too Much
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t Too Much
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To

[Rap Performed By Heavy D]
Jam Jam
Here Comes The Man
Hot Damn
The Big Boy Stands
Movin’ Up A Hand
Makin’ Funky Tracks
With My Man
Michael Jackson
Smooth Criminal
That’s The Man
Mike’s So Relaxed
Mingle Mingle Jingle
In The Jungle
Bum Rushed The Door
3 And 4′s In A Bundle
Execute The Plan
First I Cooled Like A Fan
Got With Janet
Then With Guy
Now With Michael
Cause It Ain’t Hard To…

[Michael]
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t Too Much
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
Get On It
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t Stop
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To

It Ain’t Too Hard For Me
To Jam [9x]
Get On It
Jam
It Ain’t
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t Too Much
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t Too Much
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To
Jam
Too Much
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To

Get On It
Get On It
Give It Baby
Give It To Me
Come On
You Really Give It Too Me
Got To Give It
You Just Want To Give It

~Michael Jackson

This video is of Ryan White’s Mother, Jeanne White-Ginder, being interviewed after Michael Jackson’s death. She reflects on their special times and how she perceived Michael.

Hear phone conversation between Ryan and Michael

See scrapbook Ryan’s Mother made of their times with Michael

From Wikipedia:

Ryan Wayne White (December 6, 1971 – April 8, 1990) was an American teenager from Kokomo, Indiana who became a national poster child for HIV/AIDS in the United States after being expelled from school because of his infection. A hemophiliac, he became infected with HIV from a contaminated blood treatment and, when diagnosed in 1984, was given six months to live. Though doctors said he posed no risk to other students, AIDS was poorly understood at the time, and when White tried to return to school, many parents and teachers in Kokomo rallied against his attendance. A lengthy legal battle with the school system ensued, and media coverage of the struggle made White into a national celebrity and spokesman for AIDS research and public education. He appeared frequently in the media with celebrities such as Elton John, Michael Jackson and Phil Donahue. Surprising his doctors, White lived five years longer than predicted and died in April 1990, shortly before he would have completed high school.

Michael attended Ryan’s funeral. He bought the jeans and shirt Ryan wanted to wear when he was buried. After Ryan’s death, Michael Jackson asked permission from his Mother to write a song for Ryan. The result was this video, “Gone Too Soon”.

Usher sings “Gone Too Soon” at Michael Jackson’s Memorial.

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November 18, 2003

Live From New York
In the Country of the Blind
By Jackie Mason & Raoul Felder on 1.5.04 @ 12:05AM

NEW YORK — Reading about Michael Jackson brings to mind H. G. Wells. Before discussing that improbable connection, let’s get something straight! In our book, there is nothing more horrific and revolting, to a degree that renders it almost unimaginable, than abusing a child. Turning to the next page in our book, there is nothing that can suggest mitigation, motivation, or excuse, whether it be purpose or perpetrator, priest or pervert. Sexual abuse of a child is an ultimate irredeemable, unmitigated, absolute evil. And if there were a Richter scale of evil, any child molester should be relegated to a level of hell populated by twisted despots and serial killers.

Turning to the Michael Jackson affair, elements continue to disturb us. The District Attorney Sneddon is nick-named “Mad Dog.” People should rightfully be suspicious of a District Attorney with this appellation, since such monikers are usually reserved for criminals like Vincent “Mad Dog” Coll — who played a nifty tune with his tommy gun during the heyday of Prohibition. We prefer our role model for a District Attorney to be like the character played by Jay Jostyn in the long running 1939-1954 radio serial “Mr. District Attorney.” At the beginning of the show a booming voice from an echo chamber intoned the duties of “Mr. District Attorney” and then proceeded to name the virtues of that position — first of which was “protector of the innocent.”

Innocence is a unique presumption under the modern law of free societies. We all come clothed in that state of grace, and it is the job of government to pierce, when appropriate, that cloak. This all is a far cry from “Mad Dog” Sneddon’s unique pursuit of justice.

In his first press conference in which he announced his prosecution of Michael Jackson, you would think he was going to a Bar Mitzvah. It was delayed because the police were, as he indicated, preoccupied with Halloween events. He then mangled the law when he announced that now, because of a new statute, the victim can be forced to testify. One could reasonably suppose that a District Attorney would read the law before a major prosecution was announced, and certainly before proving his ignorance to the assembled press of the world. The California statute does not force a victim to testify, but rather it is designed to prevent a situation where the victim takes money not to testify. Apparently, before “Mad Dog’s” next press conference, when he correctly explained the statute, some law student showed him the law.

After the press conference, “Mad Dog” sent 70 police officers to Jackson’s home to search for clues. Again, one might reasonably raise the question that since he was absolutely certain that he could prove Jackson guilty, what was the need to send the 70 policemen? Or at least it would seem logical to send them before, not after, the announcement. Also, if we were parents of a child that had been molested, we would be telling our story not to a force of 70 cops waiting to pounce like the Fourth Infantry Division in Iraq, but rather to an overworked, underpaid police officer who would be typing out our complaint on a 1942 Underwood. We would also question why our child was relegated to one kind of police attention and Jackson to another.

ALL OF THIS BRINGS US to H.G. Wells’ short story, “The Country of the Blind,” which tells the tale of an adventurer who “slipped eastward toward the unknown side of the mountain” in an inaccessible valley “[t]hree hundred miles and more from Chimborazo, one hundred from the snows of Cotopaxi, in the wildest wastes of Ecuadors’ Andes, [into a] mysterious mountain valley, cut off from all the world of men,” peopled by natives who are all, at this stage of their insulated existence — blind. “A strange disease had come upon them and had made all the children born to them there…blind.”

The traveler falls in love with one of the chief’s daughters and asks for her hand in marriage. The elder of the tribe senses there is something different and strange about the traveler — something that must be rectified before he can claim the girl. They finally decide that he is different because he has two lumps on his face — his eyes — that must be removed. “[I]n order to cure him completely, all that we need to do is a simple and easy surgical operation — namely, to remove these irritant bodies.”

Michael Jackson is certainly odd and dances or sways to the beat a different drummer than the rest of us. Sadly, it is often human nature to look at someone radically different from ourselves with a mixture of loathing and fear. Think of the emotions registered on the faces of people who buy tickets to the thankfully disappearing “entertainment” freak shows.

Michael Jackson, if he is a child molester, or if there is evidence of such conduct, should be tried, convicted and punished in the harshest manner allowed by law. However, he should not be forced to face a jury if his crime is merely being odd or different from us, or offending our sensibilities. In any event, it should be in the public’s interest to have trials that are fair and unbiased prosecuted by a District Attorney who approaches his assignment in the same manner. It is not served by having a prosecution conducted by a District Attorney whose nickname is “Mad Dog,” who has personal grudges to satisfy, who misstates or misunderstands the law, and who chooses to make a circus out of a situation that cries out for all the fairness and sensitivity as befits the legal process as it strives towards resolution.

“Mad Dog,” given his actions, is not the person we feel should represent the body politic in this pursuit. In the way he has undertaken his mandate, he has shamed himself, and in a larger sense, all the rest of us who look to our system as an example of the way a free society deals with those who have violated its laws. In a sense “Mad Dog” has made us all culpable in a twisted and personalized institutional predetermined search for the truth.

California has a new Governor, like him or not, who was elected on the basis of his bringing new thinking and approaches to old problems. He has it in his power to appoint a special prosecutor for the Jackson case. He should do so. We are all — including Jackson, like him or not — entitled to a process that does credit to our way of government, and in so doing, to all of us. Too often, in our nation’s history, we look back, years later, to a criminal trial and we see, with the acuity of hindsight, a process hopelessly compromised by questions of race, religion, national origin, or just plain fear. This unfortunate history stretches from the witches of Salem, to the Scottsboro Boys, to Sacco-Vanzetti, and the deplorable Red hunts after the First and Second World wars. This should not be allowed to happen in the Jackson case.

One man links the events of 1993 and 2005.

Santa Barbara District Attorney Thomas Sneddon pursued Michael Jackson without cause for over 15 years. Due to lack of evidence and credible witnesses, Sneddon was refused permission to prosecute in 1993 by two grand juries. Nonetheless, Sneddon kept an open file on Michael and spent millions of dollars of American taxpayer money searching the world for other alleged victims.

He found none.

“I think the driving force is Thomas Sneddon’s personal belief that Jackson got away with child molestation in the early 1990′s. This is what happens when a prosecutor has a defendant in the crosshairs and has years to stew over it. To put it simply, he wanted Michael Jackson and he wanted him bad.”

~Laurie Levenson, former Federal prosecutor and professor,
Loyola Law School, Los Angeles, California

“He [Sneddon] said he had a very strong case against me. The problem was that his whole strong case was manufactured. He lost his opportunity against Michael Jackson in 1993, and he doesn’t want to leave office without paying that score back.”

~Gary Dunlap, defense attorney, Santa Barbara, California

“Many legal observers who have watched the case unfold consider it deeply flawed. They say the conspiracy charge is ill-defined and the molestation counts depend almost exclusively on the inconsistent testimony of a boy who did not report the acts until after his mother had consulted a civil lawyer who won a large settlement from Jackson more than a decade ago on the basis of a similar accusation.”

~John M. Broder, The New York Times, May 6, 2005

“I think people do feel that he is a man on a mission. You know, this is going to be the signature case of his career.”

~Jerry Roberts, editor, Santa Barbara News-Press

“It must be a strange feeling, though, to know what the first line of your obituary is going to be. To know that it will involve, of all people, Michael Jackson. To know that it will be about a case everyone watched, and how you lost it.”

~Libby Copeland, The Washington Post, June 15, 2005

Why has Thomas Sneddon never been called to account for his profound violation of Michael Jackson’s human and civil rights?

Is it because the so-called professionals—to whom society has given the power and ability to shape public opinion—have forgotten, or more likely, decided to ignore the first rule of journalism?

Tell the truth.

Learn more.

Lies Created and Propagated by Medialoid

The Case Against Michael Jackson

MJJR FAQ:  The Michael Jackson Case
 
 

~Michael Jackson

 Read more.
 
 

Read chapters 1 and 2 of Aphrodite’s book.

Judge Rodney S. Melville presides over Dept. SM2 in the Santa Maria Cook Division.

In 2003, Michael Jackson trusted Martin Bashir to create a documentary to counter the tabloid gossip that was damaging his image in the public’s eye.  Medialoid’s slander threatened to destroy him and undermine all he had accomplished, including his humanitarian efforts and his dedication to the suffering, disadvantaged children and their families around the world.  Michael was appalled by the way Bashir twisted his words. Bashir inserted his own opinions; opinions that were in many cases the exact opposite of what Michael said during the interview.

However, Michael’s own cameraman also videotaped the interviews that took place at Neverland Ranch and other locations during the time Bashir spent with Michael.  Michael presented a copy of the unedited interview to Maury Povich and asked him to view it for himself, without any input from Michael or his staff.  Povich agreed to make a rebuttal film so people could see what was said and draw their own conclusions.  This is the unedited 2003 interview of Michael Jackson.

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Lawyer 2 Lawyer welcomes Attorney Tom Mesereau, a partner with the firm of Mesereau & Yu, LLP in Los Angeles, and Attorney Jennifer Keller, a criminal defense attorney in Southern California, to discuss this important topic.

Bill Moyers takes on “Big Media” in his address to the National Conference on Media Reform (NCMR).

Sources:
Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)
Democracy Now

Read more about “Big Media” out of control:

The Media Ruined My Life—A Rape Victim Speaks of Her Ordeal

Michael Jackson, Media Greed and the Demise of Democracy

How I Viewed Michael Jackson Through the Media

In Times Topics on Michael Jackson, The New York Times includes misleading claims and untrue references to Michael Jackson. Among them is deceptive commentary regarding his appearance at the 2006 World Music Awards.

The Lie:

In the original text of this article, stated in context with his imminent shows at London’s O2 Arena, The New York Times writes:

“The shows would have been Mr. Jackson’s first major performances since 2001 and 2002, when he appeared at a pair of 30th anniversary celebrations and two benefit concerts; a brief appearance by Mr. Jackson at the World Music Awards in 2006 was booed by audience members.”

Only after complaints–without any editorial notification of change–did editors revise the text to “…was booed by some audience members.”

This clear manipulation represents common occurrences of media bias, especially with respect to Michael Jackson. Taken at face value with little or no factual context, an unknowing reader may interpret this article as truth. If The New York Times–one of the world’s premiere newspapers–reports that Michael was booed, certainly it must be accurate.

The Truth:

An accurate and unbiased message would read, “The shows would have been Mr. Jackson’s first major performances since 2002. Mr. Jackson also made an appearance at the World Music Awards in 2006.”

Instead, The New York Times reports misleading information and distorts the truth in support of a biased message to readers.

The truth is in the following videos of Michael’s appearance at the 2006 World Music Awards. Investigation of the facts has revealed that some members of the audience were so excited to see more of him, they may have been disappointed that Michael’s performance was shorter than expected. If any member of the audience booed, that sentiment is completely inaudible over the obvious roar of approval that begins when Michael Jackson is announced. Before he even sets foot on stage, a jubilant audience begins a celebration that does not stop. 

Michael Jackson at the 2006 World Music Awards (WMA)
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Because of reduced immunity and his susceptibility to sun related complications, Michael kept his skin covered, wore face masks, and used umbrellas to protect his health.

Michael Jackson’s Skin: You need to SEE the truth

Information on Vitiligo: Michael Jackson

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